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    Quote Originally Posted by Samudra
    Shek,

    They are not US Centric anymore.
    India,Israel,UK and just about anyone that is a non-Muslim country is their enemy , right ?
    Osama himself said "why do we not bomb Sweden". They attack those they have a enmity to them. If there enemies are only muslim counties, expalin the attack in Turkey, or the ones in Pakistan.

    Before you lump me in as a fan of OBL, lemme tell ya, there have been two attacks here which which I had the misfortune of experiencing first hand.
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    Do you deny that Muslim Mosques are free from indoctrinating elements ?

    or the ones in Pakistan.
    Pakistans Ex.ISI Chief transferred $100000 to Atta.Read 9/11 Commission report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samudra
    Do you deny that Muslim Mosques are free from indoctrinating elements ?



    Pakistans Ex.ISI Chief transferred $100000 to Atta.Read 9/11 Commission report.

    Er link for that?

    The ISI chief was in the Pentagon at the time of the attack. Than again looking at your destination bar, evertything is crsytal clear. Typical lala.
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    Why bring religion into political conflicts in the first place?
    Hala Madrid!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparten
    Er link for that?

    The ISI chief was in the Pentagon at the time of the attack. Than again looking at your destination bar, evertything is crsytal clear. Typical lala.
    spartan,
    There are a number of links on the net that mention Lt.Gen. Mehmood Ahmed being caught in a phone intercept instructing Omar Shaikh (convicted in Daniel Perl case), to transfer USD 100K to Atta. The intercept was given to the FBI after its significance was realised. The fact that Pakistan is not allowing Omar Shaik to be interrogated by the FBI raises a lot of hackles. Why?...Is Pakistan scared that ISI/PA links to 9/11 will get exposed?
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...1454238160.cms
    new delhi: while the pakistani inter services public relations claimed that former isi director-general lt-gen mahmud ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on monday, the truth is more shocking. top sources confirmed here on tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" india produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the world trade centre. the us authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to wtc hijacker mohammed atta from pakistan by ahmad umar sheikh at the instance of gen mahumd.
    Back to topic....
    When IRA carried out attacks they said that they killed Brits not infidels. Their fight was never coloured by the texture of a "holy war" or jihad.
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    More often than not the IRA would call in the bomb to kill less civilians. They also fought against military targets. Comparing the two is not fair at all.

    The IRA did not kidnap and murder civilians like for example, Ken Bigley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparten
    Last I checked Osama Bin Laden' main beef with the US was the stationing of US troops in S.Arabia. And now Iraq.
    Nope, anyone who refuses to listen to anyother point of view besides his own, is a f"cking idiot.
    So what happens when the US is out of Iraq? When will his excuse be then?
    What will all of these Islamic terrorist savages be using as an excuse then to saw people's heads off?

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    He will probably find another one. But as for support.....
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    Why bring religion into political conflicts in the first place?
    To get support from others. Religion is a uniting factor.

    Lemontree, quoting news from Indian papers about Pakistan is about as credible as news of Pravada about the US in the cold war. And vice versa (unless it is DAWN).

    Comparing the two is not fair at all.
    Omaha bombing?
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    Why bring religion into political conflicts in the first place?
    To get support from others. Religion is a uniting factor.

    Lemontree, quoting news from Indian papers about Pakistan is about as credible as news of Pravada about the US in the cold war. And vice versa (unless it is DAWN).

    Comparing the two is not fair at all.
    Hyde Park Bombing 1982, Brighton Hotel Bombing. Just to name a few.


    The IRA did not kidnap and murder civilians like for example, Ken Bigley.

    Lord Mountbatten, Sir Richard Sykes, Ian Gow MP.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparten
    Lemontree, quoting news from Indian papers about Pakistan is about as credible as news of Pravada about the US in the cold war. And vice versa (unless it is DAWN).
    Indian Express is not a state mouth piece like ToI tends to be. You are miss informed. IE is the equvilant of Dawn and 10 time better than it. Beisdes check BBC it has the same news.
    Last I checked Osama Bin Laden' main beef with the US was the stationing of US troops in S.Arabia.
    If the US/UK had not stepped into S Arabia in 1991, the Saudis would have been sweeping the streets of Bagdadh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparten
    Lord Mountbatten, Sir Richard Sykes, Ian Gow MP.....
    None of the above are civilians, all were senior govt officials.

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    Lord Mountbatten was a retired government official. He was a private citizen.

    Indian Express is not a state mouth piece like ToI tends to be. You are miss informed. IE is the equvilant of Dawn and 10 time better than it
    DAWN is much better than any Indian Newspaper, sir. ToI is more or less a governmant sponsored newpaper. Indian Express is better, but no Indian newspaper is beyond Bollywoodizing news about Pakistan.

    BTW, it is DAWN not Dawn, apparently they are the family initials of the founder.

    Beisdes check BBC it has the same news
    Link sir?
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    Sparten,

    Its the FBI that figured it out with the help of a few friends who exist to the east of Pakistan.

    Omar Sheikh who, at the behest of General Mahmood Ahmed, head of the ISI, wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9/11 hijacker, before the New York attacks, as confirmed by Dennis Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit.
    The Guardian
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    Basis for the article, work by

    Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation.

    9-11 Commision report;

    "To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks
    Little use in such articles. The rest is mostly his opinion.
    The General in question was in the Pentagon at the time of 9-11. Some spook.
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