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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
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    Military men are taken by you guys as brainless wonders, but then in the final analysis we are the ones who have brains and the others are mere wonders!

    Musharraf proves the rule!
    Grrrr...

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    It is known that in Pakistan the absence of 4 Adult Male Muslims witnesses nullifies videotaped evidence that sexual relations took place (How To Make A Porn Movie In The Islamic Republic Of Pakistan) and it is also known that the absence of 4 Adult Male Muslims witnesses nullifies DNA evidence in a rape case. (Link.)


    Can someone please tell me that if likewise tape-recorded comments about a rape are null and void in a Pakistan unless they are backed by 4 Adult Male Muslims witnesses?

    I ask as this perhaps is the cornerstone of President General Musharraf’s insistence that he did not make the comment that Pakistani women get raped to get Canadian Visa’s and become millionaires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari_Om
    It is known that in Pakistan the absence of 4 Adult Male Muslims witnesses nullifies videotaped evidence that sexual relations took place (How To Make A Porn Movie In The Islamic Republic Of Pakistan) and it is also known that the absence of 4 Adult Male Muslims witnesses nullifies DNA evidence in a rape case. (Link.)


    Can someone please tell me that if likewise tape-recorded comments about a rape are null and void in a Pakistan unless they are backed by 4 Adult Male Muslims witnesses?

    I ask as this perhaps is the cornerstone of President General Musharraf’s insistence that he did not make the comment that Pakistani women get raped to get Canadian Visa’s and become millionaires.
    IMO this "4 witness" business is the Shariat law requirement. I am sure the civil law followed earlier in Pakistan did not have this clause.

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    Actually, it's for adult male pious muslims.
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    And what is the qualitative requirements to be a pious Moslem?

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    Shall we ask the grand ayotollahs or Abu Bashir of Indonesia ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    And what is the qualitative requirements to be a pious Moslem?
    I guess killing an infidel or ten will qualify as being pious.

    kiddin'
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    islam's problem= lack of Central authority and lack of opening of ishtahad.


    How can one be a pious Muslim?
    Definition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sameer
    islam's problem= lack of Central authority and lack of opening of ishtahad.


    How can one be a pious Muslim?
    Definition?
    Islam's problem = Indulging religion is all walks of life, especially when mixed with politics, it becomes ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    Lol...in a way yes.

    I belive it, sir.

    Lemonji - now this is a good name for an lime based alcoholic cocktail . So now I'm going to name one of my concoction 'lemonji'. Now its my drink's trademark, and no one dare use it.
    As long as it does not infringe on my putative patent.

    A large measure of Vodka. A chilli slit lengthwise, and steeped in Vodka. A squeeze against the side of the glass of the Chilli with a spoon would help.

    Soda and ice. Salt to taste.

    Lips on glass, nose in glass ( Beaky noses help). If you do not sneeze, another squeeze of the chilli. Sneezes mandatory.

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    Actually I have added chillies to cocktails.

    They make it great!

    I believe some Policemen stuff it up the anus to get a confession.

    And it works!

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    I prefer not to use chillies since some get acidity attacks with it.
    I call one coctail "sun set" - 30ml of vodka + 30 ml of gin. Pour orange juice or tomato juice and shake it in a shaker. Put crushed ice in a tall glass and por the drink slowly, then add a tea spoon of dark rum on the top layer. You will see the rum stay on top and gently mixes with the orange colour giving it a twilight effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    I prefer not to use chillies since some get acidity attacks with it.
    I call one coctail "sun set" - 30ml of vodka + 30 ml of gin. Pour orange juice or tomato juice and shake it in a shaker. Put crushed ice in a tall glass and por the drink slowly, then add a tea spoon of dark rum on the top layer. You will see the rum stay on top and gently mixes with the orange colour giving it a twilight effect.

    Cheers...on the rocks

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    An Editorial from Washington Post

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...093001536.html

    Gen. Musharraf 's Lies

    Saturday, October 1, 2005; Page A16

    PAKISTANI President Pervez Musharraf complains that his country is unfairly portrayed as a place where rape and other violence against women are rampant and frequently condoned. In fact, it deserves such a reputation. According to Pakistani human rights groups, thousands of attacks are reported every year, including gang rapes and "honor killings" of women who are accused of having affairs or who refuse an arranged marriage. Most of these attacks go unpunished. So retrograde are Pakistan's laws that there are more than 1,500 women in prison as a result of rapes -- they were prosecuted for adultery -- while arrests of men occur in only about 15 percent of reported cases.

    Gen. Musharraf, too, deserves the reputation he is earning as a ruler who cares more about how he is perceived in the West than in implementing the policies he claims to espouse, or even in speaking the truth. The general, who seized power in a coup six years ago, has reneged on promises to retire from the army or restore democracy. He has not carried out the reform of Islamic religious schools that he promised in 2001. He has allowed the extremist Afghan Taliban movement to base itself in Pakistan's western provinces with virtual impunity. He has repeatedly insisted, almost certainly falsely, that Osama bin Laden is not in Pakistan. All the while he has gone on collecting hundreds of millions of dollars in aid each year from the Bush administration, which accepts his words and ignores most of his actions.

    Gen. Musharraf claims to champion a "moderate Islam" that respects the rights of women. But when Mukhtar Mai, a victim of a gang rape whose attackers have not been punished, tried to visit the United States earlier this year, the president barred her from leaving the country. In an interview with The Post last month, he claimed that he had relented. But then he said this: "You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a money-making concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped." This statement was, as Pakistani activists and the Canadian government soon pointed out, an outrageous lie. There is only one known case of a rape victim moving to Canada, a doctor who was assaulted by a military officer. A far more common outcome for rape victims is to be ostracized by their communities or jailed.

    When Gen. Musharraf's statement provoked an uproar, he responded with another lie: He claimed that he had never made it. In fact, a recording of him speaking is available on The Post's Web site, washingtonpost.com. His words are quite clear. "These are not my words, and I would go to the extent of saying I am not so silly and stupid to make comments of this sort," the general said. Well, yes, he is.
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