China's foot in India's door

**devgupt** · 05 Jul 07,, 13:13

Every country attempts to secure its position and if posible tries to dominate. This will to dominate others depends upon the culture and beliefs of the ruling elite.The Chinese beleive future belongs to them and they have coined a term-'peaceful rise'. But a growing china inspires distrust in east & south east asia- Japan ,Indonesia they all are trading with china but are not comfortable with the peaceful rise. If India has to match China it needs to capitalise on that. So if China woos Bangladesh India can do the same with Vietnam.remember Indonesia is india's neighbour

**Tronic** · 06 Jul 07,, 04:22

Originally Posted by devgupt

Every country attempts to secure its position and if posible tries to dominate. This will to dominate others depends upon the culture and beliefs of the ruling elite.The Chinese beleive future belongs to them and they have coined a term-'peaceful rise'. But a growing china inspires distrust in east & south east asia- Japan ,Indonesia they all are trading with china but are not comfortable with the peaceful rise. If India has to match China it needs to capitalise on that. So if China woos Bangladesh India can do the same with Vietnam.remember Indonesia is india's neighbour

wow, you just dug up a 2 years old thread!...

and secondly, are you serious when you talk of "peaceful rise"?

**667medic** · 06 Jul 07,, 12:14

Originally Posted by devgupt

Every country attempts to secure its position and if posible tries to dominate. This will to dominate others depends upon the culture and beliefs of the ruling elite.The Chinese beleive future belongs to them and they have coined a term-'peaceful rise'. But a growing china inspires distrust in east & south east asia- Japan ,Indonesia they all are trading with china but are not comfortable with the peaceful rise. If India has to match China it needs to capitalise on that. So if China woos Bangladesh India can do the same with Vietnam.remember Indonesia is india's neighbour

For your info, I don't think there is any country in China's neighbourhood which has the same level of hatred as Pakistan has towards India.

Vietnam has a strong military, what they need is tons of money, how much can India give them. Even in the 1980's Indian aid to Vietnam didn't go beyond $20 million. Now the only hope for Vietnam economy to take off is China and so why would Vietnam destabilize that relation inspite of centuries old hatred of China..........

**Jay** · 07 Jul 07,, 04:38

As the Chinese say, Business first in any bilateral issues, rest all next. I hope the whole continent follows it for a while.

**devgupt** · 07 Jul 07,, 07:20

exactly.lets consider PRC taiwan relations. in 95 or 96 during taiwan elections China held a millitary exercise near taiwan . It was muscle flexing but it never actually invaded Taiwan.There were 2 reasons. One was obviously US. The other was that as Thomas Friedman has said in his DELL theory of conflict prevention 'that they are both part of a global supply chain'. every Dell PC that is bought has some of its components bought from China some from taiwan. There is no inventory, everything is JUst in time, and any delay in this supply chain will be catastrophic. This supply chain works 24*7 and any disruption even for a few days will destroy it.China understands this. If it goes to war, it disrupts this suppply chain and this will make companies wary of working with china. that would affect its economy , the real reason for chinese might. So what India needs to do is to mesh China in supply chain and obviously strengthen its armed forces. If chinese realise that they cant inflict a quick victory over India, they wont attack. An all out war I believe is out of the question .

**Officer of Engineers** · 07 Jul 07,, 07:24

Prior to WWII, France and Germany were each other's biggest trading partners.

**devgupt** · 07 Jul 07,, 07:47

point taken. But the world has moved since then and so has the world economy.i suggest you read The World Is Flat' by Thomas friedman.At this juncture even US will shy of fighting with China the simple reason that it will result in huge losses for american Corporate world.Regarding China -consider Dell & Wall Mart. They have lot of their products coming fron China. Unlike past in todays Business models there no room for inventory. Today everything is JIT-just in time. So if if this supply chain is disrupted due to war, These companies will lose thier confidence in China, and they will move to other locatons.This will be China's loss not these companies and without its economy China would be nowhere.

**FibrillatorD** · 07 Jul 07,, 09:02

Originally Posted by Jay

As the Chinese say, Business first in any bilateral issues, rest all next. I hope the whole continent follows it for a while.

Is that a well-known Chinese proverb? I've never heard it before, but I can't wait to bust it out at a party.

**~~MrFirst~~** · 07 Jul 07,, 11:03

Originally Posted by jaehkimx

When Marco Polo first went to China in the 15th century, the Chinese had the highest GDP in the world. They want to go back to that state. Even with all that communist influence for the past 60 years, the 4000 years tradition of wanting to be the center of the world is still there.

But this was Marco Polo who came to China but not any Chinese to Italy. The Europeans sailed all over the World, they laid the ways to China, India, America and so on. And where the Chineses were at that time? How they expressed their wanting to be the center of the world?

**Officer of Engineers** · 07 Jul 07,, 14:30

Originally Posted by devgupt

point taken. But the world has moved since then and so has the world economy.i suggest you read The World Is Flat' by Thomas friedman.At this juncture even US will shy of fighting with China the simple reason that it will result in huge losses for american Corporate world.Regarding China -consider Dell & Wall Mart. They have lot of their products coming fron China. Unlike past in todays Business models there no room for inventory. Today everything is JIT-just in time. So if if this supply chain is disrupted due to war, These companies will lose thier confidence in China, and they will move to other locatons.This will be China's loss not these companies and without its economy China would be nowhere.

And the French and German economies didn't get hit? Germany was in the Stone Age after the war. Yet, the Germans fought on to the bitter end.

Yugoslavia went from a middle power to a backward almost stone age existence when her people were determined to fight each other.

**Tronic** · 07 Jul 07,, 15:49

Originally Posted by MrFirst

But this was Marco Polo who came to China but not any Chinese to Italy. The Europeans sailed all over the World, they laid the ways to China, India, America and so on. And where the Chineses were at that time? How they expressed their wanting to be the center of the world?

I think the sole reason eastern civilizations didn't go exploring was because they didn't need to. They had all the resources they wanted (and the West wanted) in their own home. Chinese sailors and Indian sailors both did go on exploration voyages but those didn't last very long or very far in that case. There was nothing that was driving them to go for these voyages; on the other hand the huge demand for resources in the West drove those civilizations to move out and find those resources and build those ways to China and India. (America was an accident). Notice that on those routes, the resources were mainly going out of India and China rather then coming in.

**Jay** · 07 Jul 07,, 17:14

Originally Posted by MrFirst

But this was Marco Polo who came to China but not any Chinese to Italy. The Europeans sailed all over the World, they laid the ways to China, India, America and so on. And where the Chineses were at that time? How they expressed their wanting to be the center of the world?

Sailors from India traveled all the way to Rome 1500-2000 years back for trade. Same thing with Chinese, ever heard of the silk route? Indian, Arabian and Chinese sailors knew to use the monsoon winds to sail to these destinations way before modern day European Colonial powers knew anything about Asia.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Search for India's ancient city

Trade between the Romans and the Empires of Asia | Thematic Essay | Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

Silk route:

**Jay** · 07 Jul 07,, 17:46

Originally Posted by FibrillatorD

Is that a well-known Chinese proverb? I've never heard it before, but I can't wait to bust it out at a party.

Thats China's un-official foreign policy

**Ray** · 07 Jul 07,, 18:14

There was some statement from some Chinese bigwig when asked about the switch to capitalism that it made no difference as to what was the colour of the cow so long as it gave milk.

I don't remember the exact statement.