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    Amnesty International: Osama bin Laden raid was illegal

    Amnesty International: Osama bin Laden raid was illegal - NY Daily News


    Amnesty International: Osama bin Laden raid was illegal

    Amnesty International has criticized the US led raid in Abbottabad as illegal and extrajudicial. The organization also addressed the human rights violations under President George Bush' administration.

    Thursday, May 24th 2012, 06:22 AM


    Amnesty International condemned the United States on Wednesday for the "unlawful" commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in his lair in Pakistan.


    Osama bin Laden's Abbottabad home where a US raid in May 2011, killed the Al-Qaeda leader.

    The US administration made clear that the operation had been conducted under the US's theory of a global armed conflict between the US and al-Qaeda in which the US does not recognize the applicability of international human rights law," the human rights group said in its annual report.

    "In the absence of further clarification from the US authorities, the killing of Osama bin Laden would appear to have been unlawful," it said.

    Amnesty said a request for clarification over an apparent US drone strike in Yemen last September that killed US-born radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaqi, his al-Qaeda co-conspirator Samir Khan and at least two others had also gone unanswered.

    "These killings appeared to have amounted to extrajudicial executions," the group said.

    Amnesty also hit out at human rights violations committed by former president George W Bush's administration and condemned the "impunity" with which his officials operated.

    The global rights monitor also criticized Canada for failing to arrest Bush when he visited in October, "despite clear evidence that he was responsible for crimes under international law, including torture."

    "There was no accountability for human rights violations committed under the administration of president George W Bush as part of the CIA's program of secret detention and rendition," Amnesty said, referring to the transfer of individuals from one country to another without access to legal process.

    Attorney General Eric Holder in June 2011 launched a criminal investigation into the deaths of two detainees in CIA custody but dropped probes into the vast majority of alleged interrogation abuses.

    Amnesty regretted President Barack Obama's failure to shut down Guantanamo, noting that at the end of 2011, nearly two years after his self-imposed closure deadline, "171 men were still held at the base, including four who had been convicted by military commission."

    The number of detainees at the US detention center in Cuba currently stands at 169.

    The report lamented that five suspects accused of planning the September 11, 2001 attacks "had been held incommunicado for up to four years in secret US custody before being transferred to Guantanamo."

    Amnesty also criticized conditions in American prisons, in particular the high number of hours some detainees were confined in isolated cells, and the execution of 43 men last year, all by lethal injection.

    "This brought to 1,277 the total number of executions carried out since the US Supreme Court lifted a moratorium on the death penalty in 1976," the report said.

    Ah...I love this group.

    Shame on you Canadians for not having the balls to arrest Bush when you had the chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFever View Post
    Amnesty International: Osama bin Laden raid was illegal - NY Daily News


    Ah...I love this group.

    Shame on you Canadians for not having the balls to arrest Bush when you had the chance.
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    Ah F*** it, here...

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    What would the U S feel, if an Iranian 'terrorist', killed a prominent asylum seeker there? I am not saying that Laden was not a terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdityaMookerjee View Post
    What would the U S feel, if an Iranian 'terrorist', killed a prominent asylum seeker there? I am not saying that Laden was not a terrorist.
    Pakistan officially didn't even know Obama was in the country so clearly OBL was not seeking asylum. More to the point, OBL simply set up his base of operations in a terrorist controlled portion of Pakistan.

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    So was 9/11 'illegal'. You chose to play without rules you cannot expect your adversary to respect them either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    Pakistan officially didn't even know Obama was in the country so clearly OBL was not seeking asylum. More to the point, OBL simply set up his base of operations in a terrorist controlled portion of Pakistan.
    Freudian slip there...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    Pakistan officially didn't even know Obama was in the country so clearly OBL was not seeking asylum. More to the point, OBL simply set up his base of operations in a terrorist controlled portion of Pakistan.
    I made that same BO - OBL connection when he beat Hillary during the 08 dem primary - what a name... Killing OBL helped purge any connections for me (yes I know - he didn't kill him personally, St6 did the killing, good on them)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdityaMookerjee View Post
    What would the U S feel, if an Iranian 'terrorist', killed a prominent asylum seeker there? I am not saying that Laden was not a terrorist.


    Then say he was a terrorist. He was a terrorist and he was directly responsible for thousands of deaths. The US has done it's duty to the victims of those atrocities and Amnesty International could do well to remember that.
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    So im just guessing here that AI would believe Pakistan would have turned him over to the US or Bin "perished" would have turned himself in? Ummm yeah...

    Please the masses by calling it illegal... and then what to the survivors of those that perished in 911?

    The POTUS then George W, made it very clear he would be hunted no matter where upon this earth he was at any given time. He was!
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    An April 2011 article by Amnesty International asserts that terrorists should be treated as criminals and tried in court. It boggles the mind to imagine a warrant for OBL's arrest being served. He wasn't in the US where it could be done without the complications of going through a third country's legal system and subsequent extradition proceedings. And can anyone imagine Pakistani police knocking on the door of OBL's Abbottabad villa to arrest him and turn him over to the US? The folks over at Amnesty International are living in an ivory tower.

    To wit:

    There is a much simpler, much more credible, way to ensure accountability for acts of armed groups like Al Qaeda — the criminal justice system. Many acts of terrorism are considered international crimes creating an obligation to prosecute or extradite the individual involved. US law furthermore asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction over the murder of its citizens. There is nothing complicated about either of these claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Freudian slip there...?
    HEHEHEHE That would have been a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    An April 2011 article by Amnesty International asserts that terrorists should be treated as criminals and tried in court. It boggles the mind to imagine a warrant for OBL's arrest being served. He wasn't in the US where it could be done without the complications of going through a third country's legal system and subsequent extradition proceedings. And can anyone imagine Pakistani police knocking on the door of OBL's Abbottabad villa to arrest him and turn him over to the US? The folks over at Amnesty International are living in an ivory tower.

    To wit:



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    I don't mind the final outcome but I would rather OBL had been captured and sentenced to 100 years hard labor...on an Iowa pig farm. Unfortunately, some tool would have cried out that would have been cruel and unusual punishment even though that pales compared to what he did to all those innocent people on 9/11. I do like the message we sent. "If you declare war against us there is no place you can run to and hide that we can not reach you and sent you to the next world"

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    What if Osama bin Laden felt that the U S was working against the interests of Saudi Arabia, and that nation was not acting in national interest by being the U S 's ally? You are completely right to feel that he is a terrorist, what about what he felt, before he masterminded the regrettable attacks? Why is the U S meddling in the duties of other nations, and also taking care of her own duties? Is this not a valid thought?

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    It is true, that anyone can harbour any reason to any thought, but then, the attack on the Twin Towers is a major problem for the world, and for the U S. Would the U S want anyone to feel, like the terrorists felt on the plane, and How Bin Laden felt, when they perpetrated the terrorism? The U S is not seen to be 'diplomatically active' in the Middle East, to a layperson like me. But, I didn't know anything either, before 9/11. And, the U S is still worried about terrorist strikes around the world, on her interests, and her allies interests. If The U S has, 'no choice', then at least, she must try to convey to the world, this situation. I admire Muslims in my nation, what am I supposed to do about my feelings? Perhaps, the U S only has economic interests in Saudi Arabia. What made Osama bin Laden attack the Twin Towers? The Saud Monarchy does not need U S wealth. If I may ask a very sensitive question, how are Saudi Arabia and Israel, not mindful of the fact, that they are equally important to the United States? I agree, that Israel needs the United States, and the people of Israel cannot be destroyed, just because people want them to be. The Saud Monarchy might feel, that the United States benefits from Saudi Arabia, but doesn't benefit Saudi Arabia in return. Anyone can buy Saudi oil, not just the U. S. Where does Israel get her oil from? Egypt? Perhaps, because of the accord, between the nations. The U. S. is not doing anyone, including herself a favour, by saying she is working for world peace, and freedom, if this could be the situation.

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    Is this not a valid thought?
    Nope.

    What made Osama bin Laden attack the Twin Towers?
    ...

    But, I didn't know anything either, before 9/11.
    Or now.
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