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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    He's married. Why would we want to put him out his miseries?
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    He's married. Why would we want to put him out his miseries?
    Putting him out of ours. His subjective tendencies have been noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Not a month ago you wanted to shoot him with moose ammo
    Couldn't find decent ammunition at a cheap price. I was not about to spend more than a buck and a quarter.

    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    Putting him out of ours. His subjective tendencies have been noted.
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    Back to France and Turkey...

    Turkish Prime Ministry rules out Renault as service cars

    ISTANBUL - Hürriyet Daily News

    Turkish Prime Ministry shifts is service cars from French Renault to US Ford amid the tensions with the eurozone’s second biggest economy over a debated bill on punishing the denial of ‘Armenian Genocide,’ a daily claims


    The Turkish Prime Ministry has ruled out the French automobile maker Renault’s Latitude for its civil servants following the passage of the “Armenian Genocide Bill” in the French senate, according to the daily HaberTürk.

    Akmercan, a firm which had won the tender of the renewal of the rental cars in service for the public servants who work for the Prime Ministry, was planning to purchase 130 Latitude’s. But the firm opted for the Mondeo after the Prime Ministry asked Akmercan not to buy Renault.

    The fleet will be renewed gradually and 20 Mondeo cars were purchased in the first phase, the HaberTürk said.

    Also a Renault Fluence Z.E. electric car, a gift to be presented to the Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, is on hold as the Prime Ministry has not issued an approval. The Ministry of Science, Industry and Technology has also suspended an order of 10 Renault electric cars.

    All these decisions were taken before a sufficient number of senators challenged the bill in the Constitutional Council, the paper reported. Turkish government declared to announce sanctions against France once the judgment is delivered.

    The so called “Armenian Genocide Bill” criminalizes denials of the 1915 events as genocide. French parliament had previously passed a resolution, which purports that the killing of Armenians in 1915 at the end of the Ottoman Empire qualifies as genocide.

    Renault may invest in Turkey

    Meanwhile Renault’s Turkish unit, which makes seven models of passenger cars, may consider van production, said Tarık Tunalıoğlu, chief executive of the joint venture Oyak-Renault Otomobil Fabrikalari, at a press conference, according to Bloomberg.

    “There are good examples in Turkey for the production of light commercial vehicles, such as Ford and Tofas,” Tunalioğlu said in an interview in Istanbul today. “So we may consider that.”

    Renault Group, consisted of Renault and Dacia automobile brands, became a market leader with a 13.8 percent share last year selling 140,827 vehicles, according to a company press release. Renault maintained its market leadership in private cars for the thirteenth time, the press release said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Back to France and Turkey...
    now that can hurt them.


    TR can be named as a "Renault Country". so if they can shift this by using their influence that would be quite a blow for France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Amen. Or Āmīn if you prefer.
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    Hey stop whining, you and troung got your toys, it's all your fault you scared them so fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big K View Post
    now that can hurt them.


    TR can be named as a "Renault Country". so if they can shift this by using their influence that would be quite a blow for France.
    To my understanding Renault is closer to the current opposition in France.

    I might be completely wrong on this, because it's based on perception who wins the bids for police cars according to the ruling parties there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Hey stop whining, you and troung got your toys, it's all your fault you scared them so fast
    Yeah, but if Pari takes them away how will we learn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    Yeah, but if Pari takes them away how will we learn?
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    He can play with me. Forum rules??

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    February 28, 2012, 4:59 p.m. ET

    UPDATE: French Constitutional Council Says Armenia Genocide Law Unconstitutional

    UPDATE: French Constitutional Council Says Armenia Genocide Law Unconstitutional - WSJ.com

    By Inti Landauro and Joe Parkinson
    Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


    (Updates with further comment from Turkey's government, further detail)

    PARIS (Dow Jones)--France's top court on Tuesday ruled that a controversial law criminalizing denial of a disputed Armenian genocide in 1915 was unconstitutional, a ruling set to ease tensions between France and Turkey.

    In a six-point ruling released on its website, France's Constitutional Council said the law which was passed by both houses of the French parliament violated freedom of speech. The council's decision definitively cancels the law in its current form and there is no possibility for an appeal.

    The decision will likely be seen as a victory for Turkey, which reacted with fury when the bill was passed, unveiling a host of measures and threatening further action if the bill became law.

    Turkey's foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, hailed the ruling, telling reporters in Ankara that the news marked "an important contribution" to bilateral relations that stopped a gulf opening between the countries. The decision would set a precedent that could help stop other attempts to pass a similar bill, Davutoglu added.

    However, shortly after the ruling, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said in a statement that he would order his government to redraft the bill and insisted denying the Armenian genocide should be punished.

    The law had led to a clash between France and Turkey, which considers the Armenian killings part of the casualties related to the First World War and qualifying them as genocide an attack on the country. Following the parliamentary approval of the law, Turkey withdrew its ambassador from Paris and froze political and military relations between the two countries. In addition, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the bill was racist and Turkey might retaliate with economic sanctions against French companies.

    Since both countries are North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies, the dispute had rattled European Union diplomats who wanted to strengthen cooperation with Ankara amid Turkey's influential role in relation to Syria's uprising and Iran's nuclear program.

    Turkey's government has repeatedly insisted that the bill is politically motivated, alleging Sarkozy was trying to win the votes of 500,000 ethnic Armenians in France ahead of presidential elections in two months.

    Turkey contests the magnitude of the killings in 1915 and argues the genocide issue should be left to historians to decide, rather than legislated by governments.

    Relations between the two countries were already frosty, in large part due to Sarkozy's vocal opposition to Turkey's bid to join the European Union.

    Economists welcomed the move as a positive boost for bilateral business ties, which totaled $14.8 billion last year. Ozgur Altug, chief economist at BGC Capital Partners in Istanbul, said that the news was "definitely positive" for markets, stressing that France is Turkey's seventh largest trade partner, and third largest export partner, with a share of 5.2% in total exports.

    -By Inti Landauro and Joe Parkinson, Dow Jones Newswires; 33 1 4017 1740; inti.landauro@dowjones.com
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