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    Nationalism alive in Europe and not the European kind

    European nations grow protective of their identities
    Failed referendums show fears of dominance by EU

    By Todd Richissin
    Sun Foreign Staff

    June 5, 2005

    UTRECHT, Netherlands - The Dutch want to maintain their liberal ways, the French want their 35-hour work week and the British want to hang onto their pounds, the common-currency euro be damned.

    More than that, though, as shown by two failed referendums on a European constitution in France and Holland - and the almost-certain cancellation of a vote in Britain - the Dutch want to remain Dutch, the French to remain French and the British to remain British.

    Becoming more "European" has had little in the way of appeal to people here and many other parts of the continent. And that's partly because few people seem to have an idea of what becoming more European actually means.

    "We have some very liberal ideas here, and they're not shared by places like Ireland or France," said Ruud Schalken, 38, a graphic artist who lives and works in this town 25 miles south of Amsterdam and who wants no part of a European constitution.

    "We don't want to evolve into the United States of Europe if that means we can no longer be Dutch," he said. "What's wrong with how we are now?"

    What's wrong, according to the leaders of the 25 European Union countries that drafted the constitution, is that separately their governments have little say on the world stage. Together, they reasoned, the 25 EU nations could act as an economic and political counterweight to the United States and China.

    It has not worked out that way.

    Many reasons account for the "no" votes, which have set efforts at European unity back years.

    Social policies, such as euthanasia in the Netherlands, were seen as at risk in a European "superstate." Economic policies, like the 35-hour work week in France, would be turned over to the European Union, the "no" voters said, and the generous welfare states prominent in many parts of Europe would be diminished considerably.

    While those issues may fall under the umbrella of social and economic issues, they also define the countries - the Dutch liberalism, the French desire to "work to live" rather than living to work.

    "The Dutch people are very pro-European and know the advantages of that," said Bart Jochems, a spokesman and top aide in the Netherlands' Foreign Ministry. "But they also like being Dutch, they felt that was at risk, and so you saw the vote."

    The vote was an overwhelming "no," 63 percent to 37 percent, a striking loss for backers of the constitution made all the more surprising because the Netherlands, like France, was a founding member of the European Union.

    But a common theme among voters in France and the Netherlands - and in Britain, where a vote scheduled for spring is now doubtful - is that the European Union, as it is, is not what people signed on to.

    It has grown quickly, most recently opening to 10 former Eastern Bloc countries and is considering admitting Turkey, which many EU members oppose. To many people in Europe, that has already led to a loss of what has long defined their countries.

    In Amsterdam, immigrant Turks and Moroccans seem as plentiful as native Dutch.

    Utrecht, a picturesque university town that retains its medieval character and architecture, is something like a suburb of Amsterdam, where liberal Dutch mingle with Muslim women in traditional conservative dress. It can trace its history more than 1,300 years.

    Just 30 minutes to the north is Amsterdam, which overseas may be best known for its debauchery but which in the Netherlands is a beacon of the country's liberalism.

    Sex shops and bars where marijuana and hashish are sold make up whole quarters of the town, but they are more likely to be filled with British or American visitors than they are by the Dutch.

    "For me, and I think even for most Dutch, we don't care about the drug laws but people fear that it could be the beginning of other losses, like euthanasia," said Vanessa Moes, 24, a law student at Utrecht University who voted for ratifying the constitution. "People voted like we're going to lose our identity as a country, but I don't believe that."

    Many Europeans do, though. And much of the reason is the increased immigration that has coincided with the growth of the European Union. Many worry that the EU constitution would allow for further relaxation of immigration laws, adding to social and economic stresses.

    "The EU has been like a train going and going and more and more people hopping on board, and people want to pull the brakes," said Jaap-Ronald Blom, a 29-year-old physician who lives in Utrecht and debated which way to vote on the constitution nearly until he was in the voting booth. He decided to cast a "yes" vote.

    The Netherlands, a country of 16 million people, needs the economic heft that would come if it were more part of a bloc. But Blom understands why people voted "no," he said, attributing the magnitude of the rejection to mistrust of the government here, which had urged the referendum's passage.

    "I don't think that we're Europeans," Blom said. "In Europe, we're a lot of different countries, and that's how people like it. It's going to take a lot of time before we call ourselves Europeans."

    Aside from fears of the watering down of cultural distinctions, what many people seemed to fear was the economic implication of allowing people from historically low-paying countries to be eligible for jobs in higher-paying countries.

    There has been much talk over the past several weeks of the so-called Polish Plumber. This composite of a man was of someone who would come from Poland to France, for example, and take a job at a much lower salary than that which would be paid to a Frenchman.

    "It may be true that some jobs will be taken, but people need to look more broadly," said Jasper Riedeman, 21, a student of planning at Amsterdam University. "Right now, China is growing, and, of course, there is America.

    "If we're just Holland, and you have to compete against America, we are nothing. If we are one Europe, we can be a fist."

    That is not likely to happen any time soon. The European Union is to hold a summit June 16 and 17 to decide what to do about the constitution.

    Most likely, analysts say, European leaders will take what they view as the most important elements of the constitution, repackage them into a smaller document labeled a treaty rather than a constitution, and then try to sell it again.

    Rodney Barker, a professor of political science at the London School of Economics and Political Science, said the best chance at passage might come along only by reforming the entire EU.

    He said the European Parliament is a somewhat mysterious and shadowy body to many Europeans. More damaging to its effectiveness, Barker said, is a perception of a lack of accountability.

    "It's not just recognizing a face to yell at," he said. "It's that in what you could term 'normal' politics, the politicians would be looking over their shoulders at what the opposition is saying and reviewing the newspapers to see how proposals are being treated.

    "You have none of that as things are now, and people recognize that, and they don't like that, and they're not going to vote for more of that."

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    Leader that is a great article.
    As an European i think the integration into EU is moving a little to fast for people to feel comfortable. Europeans need time to embrace new ideas and Brussels is not doing good-enough job in giving the impression of listening to the people. Many have negative feelings because they feel alienated from decision-making proces. You must give Europe time to adjust.
    On the other side almost all nations will first be British, French, Polish... and then European. My loyalty first goes to my country and then to EU and i think many Europeans think the same. United States of Europe is a concept that is not suitable for Europe, like in the US where you are first an American.
    As Europeans we share common values so we can be integrated into one
    multinational state, but to form this values it takes time. To better protect our interests in the world we are far better of as Europeans than let's say Dutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SloMax
    Leader that is a great article.
    Thank you.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    European nations grow protective of their identities
    Failed referendums show fears of dominance by EU...
    Yes, a real informative article. Nice find!
    The only people who dont realize this is the Pro-Constution European politicians and bureaucrats. Wearing their blinders, they can't get it into their pointy heads that there is a real antipathy to forcing their concept of a United States oF Europe on unwilling constituents.
    When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. - Anais Nin

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    Its ironic that the French Non vote was because a large ground swell felt the constitution was too "anglo-saxon trade" biased. However, by voting against it, they effectively heralded a return to the EU as a trading bloc. The trade will therefore take the form of an anglo-saxon trading organisation. It'll be the Thatherite vehicle they didn't want, without the poltical control they would have needed to steer it in their direction.

    The Nee vote was interesting in that it was far more Nationalistic than most people expected.

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    Increased or reclaimed nationalism in Europe is good, if they can keep from bathing in each others' blood while they enjoy it.

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