Thread: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders

"...Pull the plug my man, I is ready."

We aren't. Sock-puppets are to be relished. There are soooo few truly mal-formed minds left in this increasingly-educated world. When discovered they're to be savored...with fava beans and a nice chianti.

Until such time you owe us a bio. Now be a nice lad and run along as you've your homework for the moment.

Originally Posted by Contumacious

He never introduced himself but we knew that he subscribed to the motto:

dico lies quod fugio

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Fixed it for ya

Contumacious, want to see how Arabs treat each other?

Here's some Arab Apartheid for you.

In 1959, the Arab League passed Resolution 1457, which states as follows: “The Arab countries will not grant citizenship to applicants of Palestinian origin in order to prevent their assimilation into the host countries.

Palestinians in Egypt. Refugees from mandatory Palestine also lived in Egypt itself. Many of them did not even feel that they were Palestinians and preferred to assimilate. The Egyptians prevented them from doing so. Except for a short period of time that was considered the “golden age,” during some of the years of Nasser’s rule, which did not include the Gaza refugees, even those who were in Egypt suffered from restrictions on purchasing land, engaging in certain professions and education (for example, there was a prohibition on the establishment of a Palestinian school). The Egyptian citizenship law allowed citizenship for someone whose father is Egyptian, and later the law was expanded to anyone whose mother is Egyptian. In actuality, however,restrictions were imposed on anyone considered a Palestinian. Even the decision of an Egyptian court canceling the restrictions did not help. The new régime in Egypt has recently promised change. The change, even if it happens, cannot erase many years of discrimination, which was tantamount to collective punishment. Thus, for example, in 1978, Egyptian Minister of Culture Yusouf al-Shib'ai was murdered in Cyprus by a member of Abu Nidal’s group. In reprisal, the Palestinians suffered a new wave of attacks and the Egyptian parliament renewed legislation restricting the Palestinians in education and employment services.

Jordan. Jordan did not do a thing to dismantle the refugee camps. While Israel was absorbing hundreds of thousands of refugees from Europe and the Arab countries in similar camps (transit camps), and undergoing a punishing process of rehabilitation, building new settlements and dismantling the camps, Jordan did exactly the opposite and prevented any process of rehabilitation. During those same two decades (50's and 60's), not one institution of higher learning was established in the West Bank. The flowering of higher education began in the 1970s, after the Israelis took control.

Syria. Between 70,000 and 90,000 refugees arrived in Syria, the decisive majority of them from Safed, Haifa, Tiberias and Acre. Thus, in 1954, they were granted partial rights, which did not include political rights.Until 1968, they were prohibited from holding property. Syrian law enables any Arab citizens to obtain Syrian citizenship, provided that his permanent residence is in Syria and he has a proven capacity for economic subsistence. However,the Palestinians are the only ones outside the applicability of the law. Even if they are permanent residents and possess means, the law prevents them from obtaining citizenship.

Lebanon. To this day, two thirds of the Palestinians in Lebanon still live in camps, which are “enclaves outside the control of the state".

Originally Posted by McFire

Why don't you actually come to the Middle East and see for yourself the reality of the world and stop with your nonsense. The Palestinians are mired in their own self-induced ignorance. Ignorant in the fact that their fellow Arab brothers have no use for them and only use them in the quest to eradicate Jews.

But is the same thing that "self-hating Jews" say about the Zionists and the "Holocaust Industry"

Tell you what...let's go ahead and close Israel...give it back to the Arabs. And let's move all those displaced Jewish folks to somewhere nice, but sort of useless...hmmm...what about Puerto Rico?

Well, what can I say. We Puerto Ricans have no say . LBJ sent the Cubans down here during the 60's.

I just hope that if they send the Jews down here they only send those that look like Marla Sokoloff., nice looking black chick, eh?

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"He never introduced himself but we knew that he subscribed to the motto:

Fiat justitia ruat caelum..."

Naw...I'm thinking more like-

"Here lies Contumacious. He was short but slow. Like a moth before a flame, his destiny was predictable. He won't be missed."

Originally Posted by Parihaka

Serbs in Croatia spring to mind

What about the Serbs in Croatia? 1. They are not several millions. 2. They participate in the political life, have own parties and guaranteed seats in the Parliament. and 3. It didn't took them 65 years to acknowledge the former state doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Contumacious

Because the so-called terrorists are those who have been victimized by your policies and seek the due process of law denied by Tel Aviv.

Get your facts straight: The capital of Israel was, is and always will be Jerusalem. Simple Wikipedia, my friend.

Don't forget, you "provide links to all my assertions".

Strike One

Originally Posted by Contumacious

The British Peel Commission had proposed a Palestine divided between a Jewish state and an Arab state. But in the 1939 White Paper Britain changed its position and sought to limit Jewish immigration from Europe. This was seen by Zionists and their sympathisers as betrayal of the terms of the mandate, especially in light of the increasing persecution of Jews in Europe. In response, Zionists organised Aliyah Bet, a program of illegal immigration into Palestine. Lehi, a small group of extreme Zionists, staged armed attacks on British authorities in Palestine


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That's right, a small group, a fraction of the Israeli forces attacked British forces. How do you conclude that to mean that Palestinian's relatives were killed?

Strike Two

Originally Posted by Contumacious

Palestine, in its entirety, belong to the Palestinians. Hamas should not yield one inch.

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Does that include the shit land that the Jews bought fair and square at exorbitant prices from Arab landowners and cultivated?

Strike Three!

Originally Posted by Contumacious

Well, I don't remember receiving a text message from her asking for my approval.

But I do remember an interview in CBS 60 Minutes where Palestinians complained of being reduced to slum dwellers and treated as foreigners IN THEIR OWN LAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And this video will show how the BBC blatantly lies and ignores their own editorial guidelines. Trust me, everything can be twisted...



I really wanna hit you with Strike Four, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'm sure you won't disappoint, though

Contumacious, I don't get it why you say all Israelis should be black, or not look like Europeans? That would go to all Arabs as well?

I am thinking several Egyptian stars and following your logic would come to a conclusion today's Egyptians should leave Egypt

Originally Posted by USSWisconsin

This is disgusting and pathetic, it is an act of pure terrorism, it is a murder-suicide, it is not fighting. Who provided the explosives? A 16 yr girl didn't make them or buy them at the store. The real shame lies on the terrorists who indoctrinated her and gave her the explosives.

The only terror involved in her attack was on the part of the Israeli government That has in various forms repressed non-Jewish locals in order to make room for non-local Jews. Since the beginning of the Second Infantada the repression has reached levels that can only be compared to aparthied, The Nuremburg Laws or Indian reservations in the American West in the late 19th cn.

Even Jim Crow laws in the American South were never as harsh.

Official Israeli policy denies the Palestinians citizenship, housing, food, water and medical care. Pari is wrong when he claims Arabs living inside the borders claimed by Israel have equal rights. Even israeli arabs do not have equal access as jews. However the bulk of Arabs inside the borders claimed by Israel are not Israeli Arabs but Palestinians who enjoy no rights.

That a 16yo girl would be willing to blow herself up, that men would be willing to let her blow her self up is a sing of desperation just as much as the creation of the 12th SS Panzer was. Terrorism as it used to be defined was the use of force or the threat of the use of force on civilians and non-military government functions to change policy. The terrorist could be regular- terror bombing of Rotterdam or illregualr- Al Queda. Attacks or threats of attacks on civilians in order to cause causulties for revenge reasons while technically illegal under the LOAC is not terrorism under the old definition. The British bombed Germany in revenge for Coventry, we threatened to knock Pakistan into the stone age if they did not allow us access....

However, Israel has been very adroit in changing public perception about what terrorism is and isn't. To the public nowadays a 500lb bomb dropped in a crowded market to take out a militant leader is a surgical strike no matter how many die, but a girl with a bomb vest in roughly the same location for roughly the same reasons- revenge- is considered terrorism.

The Palestinians have been reduced to "terrorist" by policy. No armed act undertaken by the Palestinians is not terrorism according to Israel. Israel see no difference between blowing up a Merkava Tank and a bus if its the Palestinians doing it. Israel also seems to feel (not officialy expressed in words just actions) that any attack or reprisal by Jews is at worst a misdeamnor and at best "justified".

Israel routinely refuses to prosecute settlers who murder Palestinians, destroy property and at times have tried to commit mass murder via what we would call a WMD attack if it was anyone else (well poisoning).

Not surprising for those who study history. Israel is all up in arms that the Palestinians elected Hamas. Funny, they elected Begin prime minister... For those who don't know Menachem Begin was the leader of the Irgun which is a terror group by any definition. He was also allied to the Stern Gang who killed UN politicians and was the head of the Irgun when the Irgun and Stern Gang began a policy of genocide against Palestinian villages.

Set against the backdrop of her life and times as they were, not as the media sound byted it Ayat al-Akhras is in the company of people like the French Marquis (FFI) not terrorist like Bin Laden.

That beign said, Contumacious

Your an antisemite and go find a different cause to advance you do the Palestinians and liberty no justice with your association. Genetic tests prove the majority of Jews have direct genetic links to the land, a land that has never been free of Jews from the creation of the Jewish idenitiy thousands of years ago. Israel as she exists today minus the West bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem is a legitmate state and a long established homeland for one of the oldest ethnic groups on the planet. Hopefully the growing movement in Israel to renounce what Israel has become in order to save what she means will create the conditions for peace.

Originally Posted by bigross86

Get your facts straight: The capital of Israel was, is and always will be Jerusalem. Simple Wikipedia, my friend.

Don't forget, you "provide links to all my assertions".

Strike One

Get your facts striaght- the capitol of Israel for Americans per official American policy 9as well as for most of the world) is Tel Aviv.

The capital of Israel for Israelis and where all government directives come out of is Jerusalem. The Knesset, the President and Prime Minister all sit in Jerusalem. All branches of the Israeli government and the Supreme Court sit in Jerusalem. I could say that NYC is the capital of the USA, but that doesn't really make it the capital, does it?

If this dude is going to complain about policies, the least he could do is get the location of the policies' origins right.