Uhm the number of attacks on Americans for my country's support of yours is long and decades old.Yeah, those dastardly Israelis spending all their time trying to come up with new ways to kill American soldiers in the streets of Tel Aviv
They are not occupying your land, you are occupying thiers.Let them recognize Israel first, then we'll discuss giving them the right to vote.
name one solid step he has taken towards peace that did not start from the premise that Israel was entitled to break international law.That's right. You're onto him!
How many ATGMs do the Palestinians have vs how many 500lb bombs Israel drops in the West bank and Gaza....That's right. Palestinians that shoot ATGM's at school buses are resisting the threat of their future.
natural growth would be into the Negev, or upwards, or in areas outsie the territories. The building in the territories is conquest not growth.Would you like us to stop having children too? Building today is mainly natural growth.
Israel wants hamas in power, thats why she enforces economic polcies designed to feed extremism.They've got democracy in Gaza. If they want to change things, just vote Hamas out. Oh wait, they can't, they're scared for their lives in "democratic Gaza"
The US rescued Israel in 73, risking our annihilation and dangerously depleting our stocks needed to defend Europe to do so, we have had troops in the Sinai since 79, we deployed troops in 90.Really? Since when do Israel and the US have a mutual defense treaty? How many US servicemen have died keeping Israel free?
One has only to compare the list of the dead. Sure a rocket might hit a playground, but 500lb PGMs or hellfires hit the exact market they were targeted out. Not t mention the denial or water, medical care, healthy foods, destruction of livelihoods.... Seems the Palestinians are the ones trying to fight fire with fire. Israel came to the Territories, the Palestians did not come to Israel.In response to indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilian territories? Fight fire with fire, seems to be the only way they learn. We've tried playing nice and turning the other cheek, we all saw how well that worked out
One day the blood money AIPAC spends won't work.I'm sure he does. what's your point?
You have a short memory, I remember the worlds first prime time sudice spectacular in Lebanon. I remember hijacked airlines and dead AmericansWhat terror attacks has Israel brought upon the US? 9/11 and Al-Qaeda's reason d'etre was over US presence in Saudi, IIRC.
IranWhich even more important ally has Israel cost the US?
No Israel does not, just ask any Palestinian American. We don't keep them locked in ghettos.That's right, because the country that treats them better than anywhere else in the world, even better than their own elected leaders in Gaza are the tyrants.
they've been in active revolt in varyign stages of action for almost a decade now.We have, trust me. Apparently things here aren't quite that bad if they revolted in Tunis, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain and Syria, but the only thing here happened on the Nakba? Even the call to return to the borders a week later was met with resonating silence. Yeah, things must suck here.
Do you even bother to follow the list of the Palestinian dead? Oh BTW, shooting refugees fleeing to another country is a war crime.Yup. That's the one. Especially all of those that protested peacefully, or rained stones and Molotov's on our soldiers and were met with rubber bullets, gas grenades and flash-bangs. The only ones shot at on the Nakba were those tearing down and crossing an international border of a country we're at war with. Usually you shoot to kill, not at the knees to wound.
And how many settler murderes of Palestinians are in jail?Remember how 10 days ago there was a truck driver then went on a 2km rampage in Tel Aviv? Yeah, we shot his ass so hard. Oh, wait, my mistake, he's in jail.
You did not let them return after hostilties ceased, even those who stayed within the bounderies of the state of Israel. If they fled from one village to the next they were not alloed to return. And you have 4 million of them shoved into ghettos right now.Pushed in? Left voluntarily. And Israel are not the ones that keep them in refugee camps in Lebanon and deny them even the most basic rights. Yes, that's right, those poor oppressed Palestinians have more rights here than in any other country in the world.
A Palstinian cannot drive from one part of the West bank to the other without road blocks and checkpoints.Yup, that's it. Speaking of roads traveled, you ever hear of Route 443? That's right, proper road in Israel opened to Palestinians.
So the proper responce for glass is 5.56?We do. I've got the scars from stones and glass bottles.
A Palestnmian is murdered by a settler almsot once a week, they are assaulted daily- how many settlers are in jail for it?You mean more than they already are?
sigh....You've got it. We drive our Merkavas around Ramallah, Nablus, Beth Lehem and Jericho just for the hell of it. The bitch is cleaning out all the blood and guts from the wheel carriage and tracks afterwards. Bonus points if you can find an intact head or limb.
Words mean little compared to actions.No, the path of liberty. It was in the previous sentence. Should I quote it for you?
[quote]We have women stonings on Mondays, gay hangings on Wednesdays and Christians are persecuted on Thursday nights. It's an awesome pastime. [/qupote]
swap those for well poisionings, orchard cuttings, bomb droppings and shootings.
Iran didn't invade IsraelWhy should they get the right to vote in a country they refuse to recognize and don't want to be citizens of? I want the right to vote in Iran. Whoop-de-freakin'-doo!
It should not matter, israeli kids are born citizens, they don't have to choose.....They don't want to be citizens. Hmmmm
You are being obtuse
Accoding to DNA the leading candidates are Jewish ancestorsWho are the Palestinians descended from? The Romans, Greeks, Canaanites, Girgashites, Jebusites, Hittities, Amalekites, which ones?
Standing firm and saying theft is theft is not picking fights.What is wrong with you? Instead of looking at the perfectly relevant solution to a problem, you immediately go looking for more fights. For all your clamor about peace, you're full of shit sometimes.
Yes I am so full of hate that all i want is for the Palestnians to enjoy thier own state in the lands they lived in, in 1967, and for Israel to enjoy the same.Or actually finding a solution. You really are a hatemonger, aren't you?
How did you get hate from a stance for equality?
Same applies to any palestnians state. They need an armed force big enough to make future Jewish encroachments painful.Makes sense, if you ask me. A true peace should have no need to be defended, but there's no reason to be stupid, is there? Throwing away your gun in a gunfight is an invitation to be shot in the ass. You may not need to use your gun, but it's a good thing to hold on to just in case of an emergency
who kills more non-combatants?No we don't. We occasionally attack militant targets with no warning, we don't systematically launch rockets indiscriminately at civilian territories.
Rockets being fired indiscriminately at civilian territories.Rockets being fired indiscriminately at civilian territories.Rockets being fired indiscriminately at civilian territories.Rockets being fired indiscriminately at civilian territories.Rockets being fired indiscriminately at civilian territories.
Not less people, half the population and 100% of the pre-1967 population of the terriroties.Hmmm... Less people and they get less land. Shocking, isn't it?!
BS, the settlers attack Palestnians daily.Except we won't be attacking them all out trying to "push them to the sea", will we? We've promised time and again not to attack if the Palestinians won't. We retaliate.
Forgiveness comes after the person who committed the offense apologizes and changes thier behavior.I don't really believe in the same God you believe in, so I won't argue with you on theology. I do however believe that if there were someone who were going to talk in His name, it's not you. You're too much of a hatemonger and refuse to forgive. You might compare favorably to some Popes of the past, but that's not really saying much, is it?
Ross, you say your willing to learn and listen.... prove it investigate settler attacks on the Palestinians.For whoever is wondering, a large part of my responses were heavily sarcastic, used as a tool to prove to Zraver how incredibly stupid some of his arguments were. I have nothing against Zraver, we just don't get along. Zraver has some personality traits that I've discovered while reading his post and writing my rebuttal, but I've got a couple bad ones too.
You might recall that a while back I admitted to being racist against Palestinians. I was then told by some members here that I'm not a racist, just prejudiced, but you can look at it either way you want. If you'll look at the difference between my posts and Zraver's, I at least show a willingness to listen, forgive, live and coexist peacefully. I doubt you'll get anything like that from Zraver.
That being said, he doesn't live here, so it's easy for him to talk in the abstract. He doesn't have to worry about losing his and his newborn child's life because he feels like riding the bus.
In closing: If you read this post and actually believe some of those obviously sarcastic comments and get offended, then you have no one to blame but yourself.
BTW my apologies for cherry picking, on my way to Joplin Mo is a few to link up with 7thsniper and help with the recovery.
Oh, you deal with bombs, I deal with torndaoes, basaball sized hail, CG lightning and wildfires. Not like my life is so easy.... Arkansas lost 3 more people last night to mother nature. Who knows how many really died in Joplin. Whens the last time Israel lost 100+ in 10 minutes time?