The UN, a basis for a NWO or "worthless organization and should be abolished."

**gunnut** · 08 Apr 11,, 23:01

Originally Posted by marx

Good question, which religion would you like? And which religion would every one else here prefer? This is not just me here.

I'm gonna take a wild guess that muslims would like islam as the official religion of this world government. Would you like to convert?

**marx** · 08 Apr 11,, 23:10

Originally Posted by gunnut

I'm gonna take a wild guess that muslims would like islam as the official religion of this world government. Would you like to convert?

No, i would not like to convert. And IF this "marx land" does become a reality and IF it is how i have described it, then there would be no official religion. However i have decided to "post pone" my ideas for "marx land" and simply work on creating a NWSA. The NWSA is more limited in its powers, but it it can still regulate what countries do, I guess you could call it the UN, NATO, and the WARSAW pact, all on steroids.

**gunnut** · 08 Apr 11,, 23:15

Originally Posted by marx

No, i would not like to convert. And IF this "marx land" does become a reality and IF it is how i have described it, then there would be no official religion. However i have decided to "post pone" my ideas for "marx land" and simply work on creating a NWSA. The NWSA is more limited in its powers, but it it can still regulate what countries do, I guess you could call it the UN, NATO, and the WARSAW pact, all on steroids.

No official religion? Then all muslim nations will respectively withdraw from this world government.

See how easy that was? We could have saved pages of posts had you answered this question earlier.

**Parihaka** · 08 Apr 11,, 23:20

Originally Posted by marx

No, i would not like to convert. And IF this "marx land" does become a reality and IF it is how i have described it, then there would be no official religion. However i have decided to "post pone" my ideas for "marx land" and simply work on creating a NWSA. The NWSA is more limited in its powers, but it it can still regulate what countries do, I guess you could call it the UN, NATO, and the WARSAW pact, all on steroids.

So now it's a military alliance in the form of an empire like the British circa 1850's to early 20c? Expect a lot of wars and no end of expense.

S2 · 08 Apr 11,, 23:23

"However i do have a question, WHY would you go against a single government rule?"

I've deep faith in my system of government. It's coupled with the fact our government extends its authority over one of the most richly endowed lands and talented peoples.

Yet, despite those advantages of law and circumstance, we struggle at every level of governance-from the smallest municipality to the nation as a whole-to create a system flawless, deep-reaching, and meaningful. Others worldwide suffer the same or worse.

Why should I believe we can effectively govern a global entity when each respective house has so much yet to put into proper order?

**Double Edge** · 08 Apr 11,, 23:52

Originally Posted by marx

Ok, well it seems quite obvious that I will not be persuading any one towards my ideas.

How about approaching from the opposite direction.

What convinced city states & kingdoms to form countries in the first place.

Closer to home, why must there be 48 continental states in the first place instead of fewer or dare i say even more.

Why is PA & NY so big and NJ so small.

Why should those 48 +2 elect to join a union instead of being independent.

Now what would it take to join individual countries together.

It took a good deal of thinking to come up with the concept of a nation state to put countries together, now you're gonna have to come up with new thinking that does away with borders like those in the 17th century did to form countries. After all they're just lines on a map.

What have you got ?

**DOR** · 09 Apr 11,, 02:52

Originally Posted by gunnut

I'm gonna take a wild guess that muslims would like islam as the official religion of this world government. Would you like to convert?

I'm going to make an informed statement of fact: Iran, for example, does not require everyone to be Muslim. Hell, they've got Jews in their legislature.

What is it that makes people assume "those other people" are going to demand that "we" give up all our rights, worship their way and hand in our ballots and guns?

**bigross86** · 09 Apr 11,, 03:02

Originally Posted by DOR

What is it that makes people assume "those other people" are going to demand that "we" give up all our rights, worship their way and hand in our ballots and guns?

1: Fear. Of the unknown, of change, of giving up things we're used to

2: As mentioned before, a common enemy, or "they/them" is an excellent way to unify the people against an external threat

3 (And probably the most important): The Muslims (or at least different segments of Muslims, some with large followings and strong backing) have claimed that they want to instate Sharīʿah law

**Officer of Engineers** · 09 Apr 11,, 03:57

Originally Posted by DOR

What is it that makes people assume "those other people" are going to demand that "we" give up all our rights, worship their way and hand in our ballots and guns?

Oh come on, Mr O'Rear. 1 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians, 30 million Canadians. 1 man, 1 vote. Do the math.

**Officer of Engineers** · 09 Apr 11,, 04:31

Originally Posted by DOR

What is it that makes people assume "those other people" are going to demand that "we" give up all our rights, worship their way and hand in our ballots and guns?

And Frankly, Mr O'ear, you are comfortable with your position BECAUSE YOU'VE NEVER HAD THESE RIGHTS. Hong Kong never had rights to a vote nor to legal means of self defence. Please inform me as to the obligation of retreat vis-a-vi to Hong Kong laws. At what point is lethal self defence is legal? Lethal self defence in Canada has already been defined by our supreme courts. If you step foot onto my property without my permission, I have the right to kill you. There are legal leadways such as postmen and non postings to stay out but if you intend harm, I can kill you once you step foot onto my property.

Tell me Hong Kong has such legal rights and the legal rights to firearms to self enforce this right.

In other words, Mr O'Rear, you cannot appreciate my rights because you've never had them. What's more, Mr O'Rear, you cannot value my rights because you've never had to depend on them. In Hong Kong, you depend on the cops to get to you on time to protect you. By the time the cops reach me, the perps or I would have already died by our wounds.

Therefore, Mr O'Rear, while I may not want an AK-47, I demand a right to have one regardless what China feels if her citizens have a right to them or not.

And in world government, why should I allow China to have a vote in my Canadian gun rights?

**Parihaka** · 09 Apr 11,, 08:08

Originally Posted by DOR

I'm going to make an informed statement of fact: Iran, for example, does not require everyone to be Muslim. Hell, they've got Jews in their legislature.

What is it that makes people assume "those other people" are going to demand that "we" give up all our rights, worship their way and hand in our ballots and guns?

Oh you know, 5000 years of recorded history.

**gunnut** · 09 Apr 11,, 10:58

Originally Posted by DOR

I'm going to make an informed statement of fact: Iran, for example, does not require everyone to be Muslim. Hell, they've got Jews in their legislature.

What is it that makes people assume "those other people" are going to demand that "we" give up all our rights, worship their way and hand in our ballots and guns?

Can you inform me with a statement of fact on what form of government Iran has?

Islam doesn't require you to convert. You can submit or die.

**Wayfarer** · 09 Apr 11,, 11:26

I'm going to make an informed statement of fact: Iran, for example, does not require everyone to be Muslim. Hell, they've got Jews in their legislature.

It's such a pity that one expects such high standards of tolerance from such a regime.

**Chogy** · 09 Apr 11,, 14:12

In Hong Kong, you depend on the cops to get to you on time to protect you. By the time the cops reach me, the perps or I would have already died by our wounds.

OoE has used a graphic example of how wildly people's perceptions and situations vary around the world. The Japanese, especially, who live in a culturally law-abiding and relatively peaceful society, cannot understand the issues facing others w/regards to self-defense, in this case.

People, cultures, circumstances, and expectations - all are still too vastly different for integration under one system.

The original United States were able to integrate Federally because their shared language, culture, expectation of freedoms and rights, all meshed. Likewise, the original city-states or kingdoms that combined to form current Nations also had shared cultural backgrounds and languages.

But the people of British Columbia share little with those of Rwanda, and those in rural China have little in common with Tel Aviv socialites or the ranchers of the Argentine Pampas.