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    Tepid response from US public to Pakistan floods

    Tepid response from US public to Pakistan floods
    By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer David Crary, Ap National Writer 59 mins ago

    NEW YORK – Americans are giving a paltry amount for relief efforts in flood-stricken Pakistan compared to other overseas disasters. They were more than 40 times more generous for the Haiti earthquake.

    Reasons include the slow-motion nature of the calamity, relatively scant TV coverage, and — unmistakably — the fact that the strategic Muslim ally is viewed warily by many Americans.

    No disasters are alike. Yet a month into Pakistan's flood catastrophe, with 8 million people in dire need and a fifth of its territory affected, the donation comparisons are startling.

    InterAction, an umbrella group for U.S. relief agencies active abroad, says its affiliates have raised about $12 million thus far for Pakistan, compared to more than $500 million at the same stage of the Haiti earthquake relief effort earlier this year.

    The American Red Cross, traditionally the biggest recipient of disaster relief donations, has collected about $2 million for Pakistan and is dipping into a contingency fund to support its work there. At the same stage, it had raised about $100 million in response to the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, more than $670 million for Hurricane Katrina and about $230 million for the Haiti quake.

    "People find it complicated to understand our relationship with Pakistan — how the government works, who to trust," said Stacy Palmer, editor of the Chronicle of Philanthropy, which has been tracking the donations.

    "It was easier to look at a place like Haiti and know a quick response was needed," she said.

    In Haiti and the nations hit by the tsunami, the devastation's scope was apparent immediately to anyone who saw the graphic images on television. In each case, the death toll surpassed 200,000.

    Pakistan's floods, in contrast, worsened over a period of days — and the outside world was relatively slow in realizing the scope of the catastrophe in a country already wracked by the Taliban insurgency. The flood death toll, estimated at 1,500, is viewed by some experts as misleadingly small given the scale of the dislocations and the long-term damage to Pakistani society.

    "Fortunately, the death toll is low compared to the tsunami and the quake in Haiti," said David Meltzer, senior vice president of international services for the American Red Cross. "The irony is, our assistance is focused on the living — and the number of those in need is far greater than in Haiti."

    The disaster unfolded at a time when many Americans were on vacation, aloof from breaking news. And initial TV coverage of the floods was not as extensive as for the tsunami or Haiti quake, according to charity experts who say that likely diminished donations.

    "The media coverage of the Pakistan floods has been minimal," wrote Charity Navigator vice president Sandra Miniutti on the monitoring group's blog. "As they say, out of sight, out of mind."

    Samuel Worthington, president of InterAction, has been urging Americans to overcome any doubts about Pakistan's political and security problems, and to be as generous toward the flood victims as they were to victims of the tsunami and Haiti quake.

    "Pakistan is a very diverse country, with a population that tends to be labeled through a very small subset of terrorists," he said. "You have a large population, whether it's lawyers or farmers, who simply want to live in peace. That story doesn't get told, but it needs to be told, especially when they're suffering."

    In Worthington's latest appeal, an article this week on the Huffington Post, he wrote, "We as a country are capable of so much more. And the people of Pakistan are counting on it."

    The responses to his plea reflected the conflicting emotions among Americans. One reader said Pakistan was undeserving of aid because of its huge military budget and alleged links between its secret service and terrorist groups. Others expressed empathy for Pakistani civilians, but disdain for the government on grounds of corruption and ineffectiveness.

    "Yes, there is a real humanitarian need here," wrote Idean Salehyan, a political science professor at the University of North Texas. "But, as Pakistan rebuilds, it is important that its people insist on more from their leaders."

    The U.S. government has been largest donor to the flood relief effort, allocating $200 million to date. Yet a recent Pew Foundation poll found nearly six in 10 Pakistanis viewed the United States as an enemy; only one in 10 called it a partner.

    The most successful private U.S. fundraiser thus far is Islamic Relief USA, which says it has collected about $4 million from its predominantly Muslim-American donor base.

    "Most of their concerns are that the money doesn't fall into hands of the Pakistan government," said spokeswoman Rabiah Ahmed. "We assure them it goes directly from donor to beneficiary."

    Zeeshan Suhail, a Pakistani-American who serves on the board of New York City's Muslim Consultative Network, is convinced that donations from non-Muslims are lagging because many Americans view Pakistan as a haven for terrorists. The controversy over a proposed Islamic center near the World Trade Center site has worsened matters, he suggested.

    "The culture of hate and bigotry has robbed the Pakistanis of some much needed aid," Suhail said.

    Yet many non-Muslims are eager to give — an example is St. Joseph Roman Catholic Church in Seattle, where the parish has decided to take a special collection Sunday exclusively for Catholic Relief Service's flood-related work in Pakistan. Rev. John Whitney, the pastor, says he expects parishioners to exceed the $26,000 that they donated to a comparable collection for Haiti earthquake relief.

    "I don't think anybody has illusions that this is suddenly going to turn the tide and everybody in Pakistan is going to love us," Whitney said. "You don't do it because of the response you're going to get — you do it because people are dying."

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    Angelina Jolie has donated almost twice as much as Zardari to Pakistan relief efforts - Telegraph
    Angelina Jolie has donated almost twice as much as Zardari to Pakistan relief efforts
    Angelina Jolie, the actress, has donated $100,000 (£64,000) towards flood relief efforts in Pakistan, almost twice the amount pledged by the country’s president, Asif Ali Zardari.


    By Rob Crilly, Islamabad
    Published: 5:34PM BST 26 Aug 2010
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    The comparison is another embarrassment for Mr Zardari, who travelled to Europe even as the full scale of the flooding became apparent.

    His handling of the floods has been roundly condemned, and now his donation of five million rupees, or $58,000 (£37,000), has been highlighted.


    Farhatullah Babar, Mr Zardari’s spokesman, said the comparison was unfair.

    “We appreciate what Angelina Jolie has done, but it is not some sort of race,” he said.

    Mr Zardari is known as one of the country’s richest businessmen having amassed a fortune while his wife Benazir Bhutto was prime minister during the 1990s, earning the nickname Mr Ten Per Cent for his alleged taste in kickbacks.

    Pakistan’s anti-corruption body claims he has amassed a property empire worth almost £1 billion, with a chateau in France, homes in Britain, Spain and Florida, and bank accounts in Switzerland.

    Jolie, who is a Unicef goodwill ambassador, said she was concerned about the sluggish response to appeals for cash.

    She added that she understood “it is getting hard for people – they see Haiti, they see these other events ... and they get exhausted by the time another big one rolls around”.

    She has also hinted that she may visit the devastated country as media coverage fades.

    The Pakistani government has confirmed 1,600 people have been killed and more than 2,300 wounded. The catastrophe has already affected more than 17 million people and left eight million dependent on aid. Officials warn millions more are at risk from disease and food shortage.

    Sir Anthony Bamford, the JCB chairman, donated two backhoe loader diggers worth a total of £160,000 to help in the reconstruction programme.

    “Britain has been leading the way with the level of its donations to Pakistan and as a British manufacturer I am keen for us to help in any way possible and hope that JCB’s donation of machines can assist in some small way,” he said.
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    To be fair to Mr. Zardari, he probably doesn't make 1/10 the money Angelina Jolie makes.

    We don't donate much to Pakistan is because it's so far away. Ever heard George Carlin's skit on disasters? The closer the disaster, the bigger it is. Turn on the TV and hear "500 cars piled up in the worlds biggest automobile accident!" And you will immediate shout "where?" If it's next door, you'll probably run out to take a look. If it's in your state, at least you might care. If it's half a world away, you'll change channels to see if there are any scantily clad women on Skinnemax.

    The other part is of course the distrust of Pakistan. The average Pakistanis hate America. So why should we donate to help? I find it hard to care about people who hate me.
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    It would've helped greatly if the recipients of such a donation did not laugh their asses off during 9-11.....

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    India offered $5 million and was resoundingly insulted by Pakistan media. Hell it is 100 times more than what PM Zardari offered.

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    Our Government already gives Pakistan PLENTY of our tax dollars. What the Pakistan Government does with all that money is obviously their business, cuz we never hear about it.

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    Australians have also been reluctant to dip into their pockets because we have been kicked in the guts before.

    At the moment there are ADF medics, engineers and flight crews in Pakistan but the Pakistani Taliban/assorted irhabi have made it known that they will target non muslim NGO's and especially foreign military.

    The usual blogs and forums are of the opinion that the west owes them endless aid yet refer to us as the dirty kufarr who according to some, have some how caused this catasrophe.

    Our government is of course very politically correct and dutifully sends in unarmed ADF personnel but the publc are less keen.
    If any harm should come to our or any other country's personnel, futue generosity from the general public will be sparse indeed.

    Cheers..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blademaster View Post
    India offered $5 million and was resoundingly insulted by Pakistan media. Hell it is 100 times more than what PM Zardari offered.
    Here is one Pakistani ambassador about this aid:

    The amount that Manmohan Singh offered Pakistan’s 20 million displaced was $ 5 million, widely regarded as negligible, actually a pittance, considering it was the worst flood in living memory anywhere in the world. And, in view of the destruction wrought, estimated in billions, many considered Mr Singh’s offer niggardly, almost heartless. More so when they learnt how well the Indian economy is performing. Rwanda Burundi, some say, could do better. One solitary Arab sheikh boasted that he donated more than the whole of ‘shining’ India.


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    Shows the pathetic mindset and the sense of entitlement these people have. That from those they curse day in and day out.

    There is no obligation on anyone to provide aid to Pakistan. They should be grateful for whatever is provided and not demand more as a matter of right.

    China initially offered no more than a mllion dollar and none of these idiots opened their mouth wven though it must have shown them their value for the Chinese.
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    I gave $500 for Haiti but I have no desire to give to Pakistan. I always knew they were sending fighters against us in Astan, and the Wikileaks proved that. I am tired of Pakistan's begging, more weapons to fight India, more money in the pocket of Zadari just so he can spend it in France. No thanks, I will save my relief funds for more deserving nations.

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    The US gave so much to Pakistan yet so many Pakistanis still hate US to the bone
    And Pakistan should have accepted India's or anyone's aid, in India's case to show some goodwill
    what kind of nonsense to think that India will try a mockery in such a disaster

    i would say no more money should be wasted on this corrupt government

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    Just makes my blood boil when I read what the turd said. Has he heard the expression "Beggars can't be choosers". Does he seriously expect India to be magnanimous in light of the recent events in Mumbai and how GOP is dragging its feet in bringing the perpetrators to justice. He even points out some event which happened in the 1960's to show that Indians are small minded. Is he so senile that he forgot what happened more recently in Kargil and Mumbai when Indians were targeted even when peace negotiations were taking place. I have to admit that Pakistan has perfected the art of negotiating with a gun on her head......
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    Well, one can never accuse them of being very objective, at least the vast majority.

    Their behavior is still like kids, expecting to be saved from themselves by other adults despite all the transgressions.

    I posted it elsewhere but fits the bill here as well.

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    InterAction, an umbrella group for U.S. relief agencies active abroad, says its affiliates have raised about $12 million thus far for Pakistan, compared to more than $500 million at the same stage of the Haiti earthquake relief effort earlier this year.

    The American Red Cross, traditionally the biggest recipient of disaster relief donations, has collected about $2 million for Pakistan and is dipping into a contingency fund to support its work there. At the same stage, it had raised about $100 million in response to the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, more than $670 million for Hurricane Katrina and about $230 million for the Haiti quake.
    I think this policy is sustainable. Mark out those that are for you and and respond generously towards them, and mark out those that are against you and let them get their generosity from their fellow 'death to America' chanters. I think a call to Ahd'jacket would do them good.

    Such a policy would help strengthen US's allies and let US's foes weaken.

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    Complete of all Contributions so far[updated till 27th August, 2010], interesting to note is
    1) Why China is not donating as much as UK or US ?
    2) Why none of the Super Rich Arab States are donating as much as infidels in West ?


    2[ATTACH]List of all Contributions towards Pakistans 2010 Floods[/ATTACH]
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    Pakistan floods: Taliban vows to kidnap foreign aid workers

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    Lord forbid but should that happen, whatever aid they are getting now, the pipe would be dry. Not even a drop would be reaching there

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