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    US at odds with France on Darfur.....

    April 21, 2005 9:20 PM

    U.S. at Odds with France on NATO Role in Darfur

    By Mark John

    VILNIUS (Reuters) - The United States urged NATO Thursday to respond quickly to any request for help in the Darfur conflict, but France insisted the alliance could not be the "gendarme of the world."

    Despite NATO hints it would be ready to help a 2,000-strong African Union mission struggling to monitor a shaky cease-fire in the region, the AU has so far not made any request for support.

    But Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who raised the conflict at wide-ranging NATO talks in Lithuania, said it should be ready to offer help with logistics and planning if asked.

    "If there is a request, I would hope NATO would activate quickly ... We all have a responsibility to do what we can to alleviate the suffering in Darfur," she said.

    However French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier disagreed that there was a role for NATO in Darfur and stressed that Africans should retain the lead in peace efforts.

    "NATO does not have a calling to be the gendarme of the world," he told a news conference at the same meeting.

    The AU troops are not mandated as peacekeepers and have limited powers to protect civilians in Darfur, a region the size of France in western Sudan. Survivors of militia attacks have demanded that peacekeepers be sent into the war-torn region.

    Tens of thousands have been killed and more than 2 million uprooted by two years of fighting between non-Arab rebels and the Arab-dominated government. Khartoum denies accusations it is backing militias known as Janjaweed.

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    French officials see the European Union as better suited to helping in the region than NATO. The alliance's involvement would mean a further U.S. presence on a continent where former colonial power France is keen to retain strategic influence.

    NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, who has also mooted a role for the alliance in Darfur, stressed the aim was "not to have NATO boots on the ground" but to offer support.

    "NATO has the most sophisticated planning machinery in the world," he told reporters.

    The disagreement on Darfur came at NATO talks where France also rejected a U.S.-backed initiative to turn the alliance into a transatlantic forum for debate on broad strategic issues.

    Washington backs proposals by de Hoop Scheffer to broaden the 26-member alliance's remit, seeing it as a way for its voice to be heard in European policy-making.

    Rice Wednesday described NATO as "the premier forum" for transatlantic political dialogue and said NATO allies should be able to use it to discuss any issue affecting them.

    "We want to use NATO more, and more efficiently," she said.

    But Barnier said key issues such as Iran's nuclear program were better dealt with elsewhere and stressed that the EU insisted on full autonomy over its own policy decisions.

    "NATO is first and foremost a military organization," Barnier said, adding that other bodies such as the United Nations were better suited to dealing with issues like the nuclear programs of North Korea or Iran.


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    this is what makes explaining and supporting the 'european project' so difficult, bloody french with their knickers in a twist - obsessed with solely european approach to everything.

    NATO is obviously better at log spt than EU because we don't have the heavy lift capability of the yanks, any troops on the ground will probably be from european members of NATO because the yanks don't have any sitting round doing nowt. obvious example of trans-atlantic co-operation.

    so the french crap on it. brilliant.

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    Not surprising.

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    ""NATO does not have a calling to be the gendarme of the world," he told a news conference at the same meeting."

    Hey Jacques, you want to be a super power right?

    Step up to the f'ing plate then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    ""NATO does not have a calling to be the gendarme of the world," he told a news conference at the same meeting."

    Hey Jacques, you want to be a super power right?

    Step up to the f'ing plate then.
    True.

    I'm just grateful that someone is stepping in to do something.

    I would think though that this would really be best done with UN troops rather than NATO? What is the reasoning behind using the NATO rather than the UN? Is it because China opposes intervention in Sudan?

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    Probably because NATO troops operating under a NATO command structure will have more freedom to engage opposing forces, and because NATO has the best command and control in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrowaj
    True.

    I'm just grateful that someone is stepping in to do something.

    I would think though that this would really be best done with UN troops rather than NATO? What is the reasoning behind using the NATO rather than the UN? Is it because China opposes intervention in Sudan?
    NATO troops are not generally known for paying to have sex with the little girls of the people they are tasked with protecting.

    Politics aside, I know who I'd want in my back yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    ""NATO does not have a calling to be the gendarme of the world," he told a news conference at the same meeting."

    Hey Jacques, you want to be a super power right?

    Step up to the f'ing plate then.
    NATO would be an American commanded mission, not French.

    However, support for a NATO mission is lukewarm. Nobody wants to go, including the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem
    NATO troops are not generally known for paying to have sex with the little girls of the people they are tasked with protecting.
    The former East European troops are not known to keep their pants on and at times, even our people drop their pants once in a while. This being said, the punishement is usually far harsher than what's happenned else. At the very least, release from the service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
    The former East European troops are not known to keep their pants on and at times, even our people drop their pants once in a while. This being said, the punishement is usually far harsher than what's happenned else. At the very least, release from the service.
    Right. That's why I used "generally known". Every deployed force is going to have its naughty people and downright awful people, but if they police themselves well it won't get out to Joe Average like myself. The fact that the UN scandal was reported at all and that it seems to be so systemic is what makes it notable and "scandalous".

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