Gun Grape

Say, I like kujira nigirizushi
Get enough for you and me

I would eat it on a boat
And I would eat it with a goat
......
I will eat it here and there
I will eat it anywhere

(yes I know the second picture is of whale sashimi not sushi)

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zraver

They are not innocent fishermen, they are engaged in ecological piracy.

Nice fiction, passa law to make yourself legal. I call BS

it is theft, they are doing commercial whaling illegally.



its junk science, they do not even try to science on liivng populations, its just an excuse to kill.

In a perfect world we'd say Midway part deuce for such an action.

yes they are

Every level of government from Japan on up the chain to the international community is catering to a minority.


your right I don't they are biological/ecological thieves

troung

They write papers, and do wonderful stuff with the tasty leftovers.

It's not theft, they have a right to do what they are doing. Japan could walk out of the IWC tomorrow, set their own quotas to still provide consumers with tasty oh so tasty Minke.

They have broken no laws and are out to injure no people.

Go to war to protect a bunch of wacko pirates.

They are acting within the law, they are in compliance with the IWC.

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zraver

The papers are junk science.



I wish they would so people in other countries could push for economic sanctions.



What do you call ramming the Ady Gil and then tryign to wash the crew into the Antarctic seas and not stopping to render assistance?

American nationals engaged in fighting ecological piracy.

They wrote themselves the exception. How about you try dog that, I'd love to be able to exempt myself from speed limit laws. I won't buy into their fiction.

Crocodylus

Whale meat in Japan is eaten only by the rich, since it is very expensive and there is a limited supply.

If whale meat were to be available as beef and chicken are available, even if only on a seasonal basis the Minke whale population would shrink dangerously, thus putting pressure on other whale species.

I don't see anything wrong with taking a few dozen whales per year for human consumption, especially if the humans in question need to feed themselves and nothing else is readily available.

At least the Japanese are not catching whales like they catch bluefin tuna. I heard that overfishing and depletion of fish stocks in the Indian Ocean is one factor that has led to the rise of the Somali Pirates.

gunnut

Isn't that what the definition of "legal" is?

Income tax was not legal until a law made it so. The law was declared unconstitutional so an amendment to change the constitution was passed, thus making it not only legal, but constitutional.

Government conducts legal theft all the time. We just have different names for them.

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highsea

I looked at that video as well.

The Ady Gil had positioned itself in front of the Japanese ship, off the starboard bow, and was bumping forward, then out of gear, then bump forward again, etc.

Relatively heavy following seas, the Japanese ship needed to have enough forward way to maintain steerage and prevent broaching. The position of the Ady Gil was such that as they got closer together, the Ady Gil would not have been visible to the skipper of the Japanese ship from the wheelhouse- they were hidden by the bow of the ship.

The Japanese skipper had 4 courses of action available.

First option was to maintain speed and heading. From the Japanese skipper's vantage point, the last thing he saw was the Ady Gil going under his bow on a collision course. Doing nothing meant a high probability of collision.

Option two was to slam the gears into reverse and try to kill forward motion. The proximity of the vessels was such that the Japanese ship would not have been able to stop in time, since it would take at least one full length of the ship to bring her to a dead stop, even at the slow speed she was going. With the sea state, he would have been at a high risk of broaching the ship had he done this, because he loses all rudder in the process.

Option three was to turn to port. Not a good choice either, because you don't know if the Ady Gil has passed across the bow yet, and swinging the stern in the direction of the Ady Gil would likely run her down.

Option four was to turn to starboard. This was the best choice, and the one I would have done given the sea state and last known position of the Ady Gil. I would try to put the Ady Gil on my port side. When you are on a closing collision course, it's best to turn into the oncoming vessel and put her across your bow. This is the quickest way to increase separation. Turning away from the oncoming vessel increases the chances of collision, because it puts the oncoming vessel down your side, and you aren't clear until she passes astern.

It so happened that the Ady Gil had stopped her forward motion on the starboard side, but the Japanese skipper had no way to know that- he couldn't see under his bow.

The end result was the collision, and was entirely the fault of the skipper of the Ady Gil for placing his vessel in that position, contrary to COLREG's. His license should be revoked for causing the incident.

There was no need for the Japanese skipper to render assistance, the Sea Shepherds had a large vessel on location to pick up their crew. Had the Sea Sheherds had asked for it, I'm sure they would have picked up the swimming crew- the Japanese on that ship are professional mariners, and unlike the Sea Shepherds are not seeking confrontations.

troung

What planet are you from; seriously? Lobbying.

On the account of a few wackos?

The papers are scientific which is all that matters. What they do with the delicious Minke afterwards is fine.

Sigh, no piracy coming from the side of the fishermen; but acid attacks and ramming from the eco-terrorists. It is perfectly legal to research and then sell/eat the delicious Minke. Japan could actually leave the IWC then set a quota on their own and then whale to their heart's content.

highsea

zraver is this really what you support? Much more here:

http://contradicere3.wordpress.com/2...olent-history/

zraver

yes, if nations won't engage is responsible husbandry of the sea then someone has to act and the UN is obviously not up to the task. How many fisheries have to collapse, how many species need to be put on the brink for common sense to prevail over mere profit. The Sea Shepherds are merely doing what the worlds navies should be doing.

troung

The Minke are not endangered.

They should be jailed for their terrorist acts.

highsea

Right. Neither are the tuna, seals, etc.
And rot there, imo.

I did check on their vessels- they are not US flagged, they are Dutch registries.

Don't suppose there is much chance of anything happening on that score...

gunnut

Wait...Sea Shepard possesses a ship that has operational cannons?

gunnut

Sinking Sea Shepard ships?

troung

Holland tables bill to deflag violent antiwhalers' ships
BRUSSELS, Feb. 5 KYODO
Kyodo News - Story
The Dutch government has submitted a bill that would empower it to strip violent antiwhaling environmentalists of the registry of their ships, following violent protests against Japanese whalers by Dutch-registered ships of the U.S. Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, according to government and parliamentary sources.