respect.............Originally Posted by tronic
thank you bigfella, thats really good to hear, and the same applies to you if you ever decide to head up this way.well i can promise you punjab, himachal and few surrounding states, anywhere else, and i'd be as much a tourist as you.
if there is now specific targeting of indians here and there i believe it would be due to the hype created by the media in the first place. Its like giving some bad people, some bad ideas, which possibly they hadn't even thought of doing before.
race is just a word; if you think that using the word "ethnic" discrimination is much better than using "racial" discrimination, than i think thats a little flawed thinking. Because ethnic or racial, there is no difference, its the exact same thing. The ground point is you're still discriminating on the basis of the person's appearance, or their origins. Discrimination is discrimination, ethnic or racial doesn't make any one better than the other.
You're telling me sikhs enjoy making fun of themselves? Sikhs are liberal, so yes, they'll laugh along. Come to punjab hang out with a bunch of sikhs and crack a sardar joke, they'll laugh so you don't feel bad. Crack a sardar joke a second time, they'll smile to go along. Crack it a third time, and i promise you, you will not be standing on your feet. No community likes to be a laughing stock, and its foolish that you think sikhs enjoy being made fun of by non-sikhs.
And it doesn't look to me they're enjoying being made fun of:
sikhs fail to see funny side of phone jokes - times online
sikhs ask cops to ban 'sardar' jokes on net - mumbai - city - the times of india
the tribune, chandigarh, india - nation
and just an awareness video, but do tell me how much fun you think these guys are having being made fun of:
errmm.. All the time? And really, australia is no different than america; its a multi-ethnic society. Many of those "indians" in australia are not indians but aussies. So in turn, when you blame the aussies for being racists, its the same as you saying that aussies are racist to one another. Thats a very poor example you give.
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Having waded through a fair amount of the mind numbing drivel on that site I came to some conclusions.
Racism, ignorance, bigotry are not the exclusive domain of any one race. These attitudes and mind sets are everywhere.
Rednecks live in every country.
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As a white guy living in Oz I must say that there are a lot of xenophobes and they come in packs. I've had so many issues just because of my accent and it's pathetic.
Melbourne and Sydney are particularly bad but people in Perth are very nice.
I find this rather strange, having known many Americans and a few Canadians I have never heard of them having any problems.
And as Australia is a land of many accents it seems weirder.
Not saying it hasn't happened to you ExpatCan you let us know the type of discrimination you experienced?
I read an article where this phenom was clearly evaluated. In quite a few cases the perps were fellow Indians themselves. Also some of the victims were not only living in high risk areas, but out frequently alone late at night. Oz is being unfairly accused here, and they did something that will upset many an Indian wannabe student. They stopped issuing visas to poorer Indians as they worked late night jobs.
a 3yr old indian boy was recently murdered in melbourne recently. the press almost started with the racist australian headlines again but one of the families indian friends has been arrested for this heinous crime. Gursewak Dhillon charged over death of toddler Gurshan Singh | News.com.au
just like the malaysian government the other week putting out a news headline calling for australians to racially respect their citizens ( one of their consulate drivers had been murdered and the suspect had not been apprehended). It turns out it was an indonesian 55 yr old who was guilty of the crime due to his wife being overtly friendly with the slain driver.
I can say if you were to run a vox pop interview of most australians these days, we are getting mightly sick of all these claims of racism by australians from people from overseas....
if australia was such a racist, evil, backward place I guess over 400000 australian students ( the total number of foreign students here )would enrol in cookery and hairdressing courses in india, china etc in an attempt to get permanent residency there.....much like the reverse that has happened here in sydney, melbourne, adelaide, etc etc. to show you how ridiculous this permanent residency/study scam is, we have Sikh's enrolled in hairdressing courses just to gain PR. education is not australia's 3rd biggest export earner, PR is......
Last edited by ned kelly; 08 Mar 10, at 04:26.
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Ned,
I realize it is tempting to feel a bit vindicated, but it is also a bit unseemly.
I would also have to give the Indian media a big tick this time. From all accounts they reported this one straight. It is a bit unfair to claim that someone 'almost' did something they didn't actually do. Perhaps they learned from past mistakes, perhaps it was because a child was involved. Either way, I hope they continue in this fashion for the sake of both our countries.
In the meantime a family is destroyed & a suspect is in custody. I am pleased about the latter, but too sad about the loss of a little boy to feel all that good about it. I suspect that it doesn't matter all that much to the parents who killed their boy - he is still gone & they will suffer for the rest of their lives.
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can you show me any single Indian news channel broadcasting this news as Racist Australia headlines.....
Rest is blah blah we are not studying in Australia on free fund...we are paying hard earn money which normal Australian can not pay in whole life to these universities.
I don't know which different communities you are talking about. Water runs downhill, i wish Indians could have a shown unprovoked Indian bullying on your streets like lebanese did with typical lebanese style.I find this rather strange, having known many Americans and a few Canadians I have never heard of them having any problems.
And as Australia is a land of many accents it seems weirder.
Not saying it hasn't happened to you Expat
Its all about colour i think for you. Your media makes every crime done by coloured person as a highlighted Australian problem.
Non of us have problem with Australia, but Australia have problems with Aborigines, Lebanese, Kiwis, Poms, Japanese, Americans, Islanders, China and now Indians. What you are pretending here is not what the reality is here. Everyone is Adjusting to so called Australian values but Australia is not adjusting with those who are trying (impending) to adjust.
MELBOURNE: A 23-year-old Indian man was today charged over the death of an Indian toddler, whose body was found three days ago in a Melbourne suburb.
Dhillon Gursewak has been charged with manslaughter due to criminal negligence and is appearing in an out-of-sessions hearing at St Kilda Road Police complex, local media reports said.
He is not expected to apply for bail. The man, who has been charged with murdering the three-year-old Gurshan Singh Channa from Punjab who was in Australia on a vacation with his parents, is not a relative, but did live in the same house in David Street, Lalor as Gurshan, the reports said.
Channa's body was found by a council worker on Thursday night, six hours after he disappeared from a rented property shared by his parents with friends and family here. A total of 12 people lived in the house.
Indian man charged with Indian toddler's death in Australia - Indians Abroad - World - The Times of India
A lot of these incidents were not even initiated by well "white" Aussies- I hate getting into such a racial/ethnic bias accusation, but you need to really attempt even some basic research before unloading accusations. Some of the incidents were fake reports, others were by own acquaintances and family members, some were Lebanese immigrants, and others were robberies or alcohol/drug related. I don't watch Indian TV but Timesofindia.com had plenty of sensational news accusing racism (its all Indian press sensational style of reporting). The Aussies do have a funny accent though.
Yes, 'you' are paying hard earned money, but what a great many foreign students have been paying for in recent years is also the opportunity to get permenant residence & perhaps citizenship in Australia. I'm actually not too fussed about this on principle, but I'd prefer that the people coming here with that in mind were studying something more useful than cooking or hairdressing (and yes, many do).
As for Australians, we pay good money too. I pay it every 2 weeks when tax comes out of my pay. Australians regularly borrow sums between $A500,000 & $A1 million to buy homes. Finding the money up front for a degree would not be a problem.
You need to get your facts straight.
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You don't know what you are talking about & you appear to lack the language skills to even say it properly.
Australia's record of peacefully integrating ethnic minorities into our community is extremely impressive. Few nations have our diversity & fewer have so little tension between communities. We have our problems. Everybody does. We are not 'pretending' anything - we are setting examples.
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I was expecting from an Australian to start preaching me on English tutorials. This what you all do typically. I have 8 overall bands in IELTS and my center was UTS. Please tell me how many points you be able get? It hurts when some make generalized comments isn't it. Timesnow.com do not represent whole India.
I was making a point that it is not the problem with out spoken Indians but with the Australians. Last time when you were having problems with lebanese no one was there to listen. Last time when oz white restaurant were not allowing aborigines to enter, no one banned your cricket team to play with.This time the situation is different. Adding: welcome to information age.
For one fake Indian thug Australia is not going to be off the hook for 5 racial attacks. I can not forget how i was treated at my job place when whole Australia was jumping on ass and shouting terrorist terrorist when Dr.Mohd Hanif was detained without charges.
Permanent residency we get is not awarded to us by charity. You can not dictates who shall apply for the same and not. You all make such stereotype remarks on every single online forums don't you? We are earning PR as per federal rules and regulation. We are qualifying for PR by claiming points.
Last edited by ambidex; 08 Mar 10, at 09:52.
going straight to the to the lowest common denominator argument ambidex as this is what you appear to most likely understand ( and i will avoid the obvious jokes about you being ambidextrous, lol ), this statement by you,
"we are paying hard earn money which normal Australian can not pay in whole life to these universities." is not grammatically correct, factually correct and has no basis in actual studying in australia at universities.
a university ( i attended sydney uni, honours in economics ) is slightly different from a "vocational" college where foreign students enroll to learn cooking, hairdressing ( remember that sikh i mentioned studying this ? ) etc etc........and pay to do so. university = gain admission marks, study there, fees are paid upfront ( very reasonable or you receive a government loan at negligible interest to be paid back once you are in the workforce )
but
i know first hand all about these dodgy vocational colleges. a very close female friend of mine is enrolled so she can stay in the country, as is 99% of the other students. who seriously comes to australia to study beauty therapy, hairdressing or cooking? so they can go back to their own country and setup a business doing this?
no, sadly it is a cash cow for many unscrupulous business people, australian and foreign, to get as many foreign "students" into australia so they can hopefully migrate and get that magical permanent residence.
so let's call it what it is.....pay some money, work 900 hours for free ( a condition of staying ) then maybe you will get a visa to live in a first world country. that is what many people are trying to do.
re: university admission in australia. I received 96% out of a possible 100%, gained admittance, paid $5000 in fees for a 4 yr degree out of tax dollars i earnt once i joined the work force. pretty equitable to me i'd say......the government loans you the money ( not US sized loans or fees )....
what i do not appreciate is indian morons pontificating about australia when they are ignorant, shallow minded and feel they are better than every other person or culture.
if india was so great, why are there 90000 students studying here other than to get permanent residency? is it to spread indian culture?
please enlighten me......I am soooo curious.....
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