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Reply With QuoteLMAO....now that you mention it.....Originally Posted by gunnut
Nope. As far as I know, Dick Morris and Elena Kagan have never appeared together in the public at the same time...dun dun dun....
Ever noticed Michael Jackson and LaToya Jackson have never appeared together in the public before...:P
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
LMAO....now that you mention it.....
It IS still here. I looked an' looked an' looked...but I thought it was gone.
Still here. A pleasure to review, for historical perspective.
About me being completely correct, that is.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
Good to see you about Blues! I resurrected one for posterity the other day. Will Government Grow or Remain the Same Size?
The tragedy is that all the things people like us predicted that got poo-poohed then, but is happening today, still doesn't seem to be a lesson learned for so many. But yet I get accused of wrecking the system when the wreckers are in Washington.
I really love walking back through WAB history. It is very informative, re: who has the bubble and forms their opinions by observation of Reality, and who dreams and wish-casts for things as they would like them to be.
Just described the difference - the biggest and most crucial difference - between conservatives and liberals.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
Gloating is fun, isn't it?
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Abusing Yellow is meant to be a labor of love, not something you sell to the highest bidder.
I think that's more than a little bit unfair. Much of history's progress has been condemned as idealistic and unreasonable at the time, but moved forward anyways. I can cite the American government itself as an example of this--breaking from an age old system of monarchy and rule by the elite.
The greatest weapon is the truth
Somebody needs to take a trip to the Intro Forum...^^^
Last edited by Julie; 12 Oct 11, at 07:26.
Not what I'm talking about. I don't say that one shouldn't try for something better and different in a possible alternative future. Hell, it's what my country is built on. I'm talking about wishing Reality conformed to what a fantasist would LIKE things to be like, and then attempting to make the world behave as it simply will NOT. Conservatives, IF they are forward-looking and visionary (not a given, as I readily acknowledge), will do the former, and shape their methods and goals to the Way The World Works, and can drive the material and moral state of Mankind forward. Liberals will do the latter, and eventually, if allowed to continue their mad warping of Nature to its inevitable sad end, will kill millions, and drag Humanity backwards into darkness and barbarism...in the name of 'progress'.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
You mean something like this?
Somebody needs to take a trip to the Intro Forum...^^^
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Abusing Yellow is meant to be a labor of love, not something you sell to the highest bidder.
Her powers are weaken
No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
Screwed up is more like it....when I pulled his posts, that one (and many more) did not show up. At times i can sign in, for two weeks I could not....go figure. But, I need to learn to stop complaining, since it only spells trouble for me.Her powers are weaken
The irony in that is that many liberals would say the same of conservatives...policies showing inhumanity and unethical action in the name of progress or patriotism.
I dont subscribe to this idea except for what is probably a minority of conservatives though, its unfair to make blanket generalizations. We also do not know the future or how things will turn out because of any action. However, I'll explain to you what I think is the difference between liberals and conservatives:
A true conservative: Is happy with the status quo, do not see or understand the need for change, are willing to turn a blind eye to unethical policies if they are to their benefit or their country's benefit, and beleive in individualism so much that they are mostly self-concerned (to the exclusion of care for anyone else, dare I say).
A true modern liberal: Will not accept status quo, will see the need for change and want to change it, would not accept unethical policies for any reason (though there are many hypocrites sadly), and see the plight of other people as well as their own, even if those people are not from our country or ethnic group.
To conservatives who feel I am describing them in the above--maybe its time to start empathizing a little, understanding the varying circumstances of other people that make them what they are. There are social problems that need to be solved and cant be ignored even if your own personal life is going well.
And for the liberals--we must recognized the limits of our ability to make change and bring peace, because there are some goals which might be unreachable in our lifetime.
This is why I urge people to move towards the center of the political spectrum so they can understand both sides and make a reasonable choice on an issue without having to bow to party rhetoric and such.
The greatest weapon is the truth
That was a fascinating exercise. Let's do a bit of text analysis.For a start,conservatives are generally viewed in a not so positive light.Lefties are generally cool,with just a bit negativity.
Then you use ''To conservatives who feel I am describing them'' implying distance,separation,even opposition.''Our ability'' signals inclusion.The cherry on the cake is the call for centrism.
You can lie yourself as long as you like.Remember your own minor drawback of liberalism.
Now,conservatives don't value rigidity. Take this quote as food for thought:''In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: "If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.- G.K. Chesterton ''
Those who know don't speak
The "slow, calculated change" thing that conservatives tote is a cop-out. In reality, things almost NEVER change under conservatives, and they will use this excuse to postpone and delay things until others have lost the ability to ever change something. Then they will sit back, clap their hands because the status quo hasn't changed. Now, I agree that change should be prudent and not too rushed to cause ruin, but I dont actually see this from conservatives (at least in America).
A real history example: Slavery in the South was a huge point of contention for everyone. Most people knew it was evil and wrong, but the economy of the South was based on it--and more importantly, the pockets of the rich plantation owners depended upon cheap slave labor. Their arguement, you guessed it: slow eradication of slavery...it will die out naturally in time.
But everyone knows...that wasn't going to happen. Slavery was just as important in the mid 1800s as it was in the mid 1700s. Now, during that time millions of slaves lived and died. Sometimes, to fight injustice, change needs to come fast. There might be some fallout, but in the end, its better than the alternative.
No liberal is out to cause rampant destruction, but they do want to move things along. People should never have to settle for injustice
The greatest weapon is the truth
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