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    Uganda to apply death penalty towards homosexuality

    Why is Uganda attacking Homosexuality?

    Why is Uganda attacking homosexuality? - CNN.com

    (CNN) -- As a gay man in Uganda, Frank Mugisha is used to the taunts, the slurs and the daily harassment of neighbors and friends.

    But if a new bill proposed in the east African country becomes law, Mugisha could be put away for life, or worse, put to death for having sex with another man.

    "Right now, you can't go to places that are crowded, because the mob can attack us or even burn us. We can't walk alone. We are ostracized by relatives. But if this bill passes, it will become impossible for me to live here at all. And that part hurts the most," Mugisha said.

    The Anti-Homosexuality Bill features several provisions that human rights groups say would spur a witch hunt of homosexuals in the country:

    • Gays and lesbians convicted of having gay sex would be sentenced, at minimum, to life in prison.

    • People who test positive for HIV may be executed.

    • Homosexuals who have sex with a minor, or engage in homosexual sex more than once, may also receive the death penalty.

    • The bill forbids the "promotion of homosexuality," which in effect bans organizations working in HIV and AIDS prevention.

    • Anyone who knows of homosexual activity taking place but does not report it would risk up to three years in prison.


    "Who will go to HIV testing if he knows that he will suffer the death sentence?" Elizabeth Mataka, the U.N. Special Envoy on AIDS in Africa, told reporters last week. "The law will drive them away from seeking counseling and testing services."

    Homosexuality is already illegal in Uganda under colonial-era laws. But the bill, introduced in October, is intended to put more teeth into prosecuting violators.

    It applies even to Ugandans participating in same-sex acts in countries where such behavior is legal.

    "They are supposed to be brought back to Uganda and convicted here. The government is putting homosexuality on the level of treason," Mugisha said.

    Lawmakers have indicated that they will pass the bill before year's end.

    It has the blessing of many religious leaders -- Muslim and Christian -- in a country where a July poll found 95 percent opposed to legalizing homosexuality.

    The Rev. Esau Omara, a senior church leader, said over the weekend that any lawmaker opposing the bill will pay for it during the next election, according to local newspaper reports.

    And a leading Muslim cleric, Sheikh Ramathan Shaban Mubajje, has called for gays to be rounded up and banished to an island until they die.

    Several media outlets also have inflamed sentiments in recent months by publicly pointing out gays and lesbians.

    In April, the Observer newspaper published tips to help readers spot homosexuals. And over the summer, the Red Pepper tabloid outed 45 gays and lesbians.

    Uganda's President Yoweri Museveni has not publicly stated his position on the bill, but last month blamed foreign influence in promoting and funding homosexuality.

    "It is true that, if the president has said that, he must have information that European nations are promoting (homosexuality) and recruiting homosexuals," government spokesman Fred Opolot said. "You must note that the president or the legislators are responding to the concern of the citizenry of the country."

    At the Commonwealth summit in Trinidad and Tobago late last month, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said he pulled aside Museveni to deplore the bill.

    "We find them inconsistent with, frankly, I think any reasonable understanding of human rights, and I was very clear on that with the president of Uganda," Harper told reporters.

    In the United States, a coalition of Christian leaders released a statement Monday denouncing the bill.

    "Regardless of the diverse theological views of our religious traditions regarding the morality of homosexuality, in our churches, communities and families, we seek to embrace our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters as God's children, worthy of respect and love," the statement read.

    Human rights groups have called on Western nations to withhold aid from Uganda if the measure passes. About 40 percent of the country's budget comes from international aid.

    "This draft bill is clearly an attempt to divide and weaken civil society by striking at one of its most marginalized groups," said Scott Long, director of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights Program at the New York-based Human Rights Watch. "The government may be starting here, but who will be next?"

    Opolot, the government spokesman, said consideration of the bill in parliament is merely "democracy at work."

    "We as a country are engaging and debating a pertinent issue," he said. "So if a foreign country chooses to cut aid simply because Uganda is debating its destiny, then it is quite outrageous and quite wrong."

    Mugisha, who now heads the group Sexual Minority of Uganda, said he is working with lawyers and other activists to change minds and defeat the measure.

    "I have put a lot of effort in this struggle. I just want to live freely every day," he said. "I want to be happy knowing that if I'm going to meet someone, I'm not going to be taken to jail forever."
    Wow, this is crazy beyond belief, Africa seems to be getting even more regressive socially, even as progess is being made in other areas - in these difficult budget times anyone up for an aid boycott?
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    Wonderful, just what the world needs another crackpot at the helm. Meanwhile all civilized people get to watch as helpless people get murdered or thrown in prison for something that exists in pretty much all countries of the world.

    *All countries should cut aid to them no matter how much they protest or dislike it. Those homosexual people are still people and this should be considered a genocide against humanity and we should dam sure make certain that we are not helping fund this crusade against the gays in any way shape or form.
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    I don't agree with it, but I must respect their culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I don't agree with it, but I must respect their culture.
    Not too sure killing gays, lesbians and transgendered etc is culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought
    Wonderful, just what the world needs another crackpot at the helm. Meanwhile all civilized people get to watch as helpless people get murdered or thrown in prison for something that exists in pretty much all countries of the world.

    *All countries should cut aid to them no matter how much they protest or dislike it.Those homosexual people are still people and this should be considered a genocide against humanity and we should dam sure make certain that we are not helping fund this crusade against the gays in any way shape or form
    Beyond the barbaricism of the concept that would be my primary concern as well - I accept the sovereignity of nations, nobody can interfere unless this turns into a genuine genocide, and even then there'll be a long debate, but Uganda shouldn't expect any foreign aid if it won't obey human right norms for the rest of the globe.

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    Not too sure killing gays, lesbians and transgendered etc is culture
    Absolutely, well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I don't agree with it, but I must respect their culture.
    I got to love to your sarcasm.It is the irrefutable proof that diversity works.A Chinese-American and and an Eastern European have more resemblances than differences.
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    What happens when they kill someone who happens to be gay but not a resident or citizen of Uganda?
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    What the article fails to mention is that Uganda has been the 'beneficiary' of a steady stream of evangelical activists, most American. They have been responsible for encouraging the destruction of one of the most effective AIDS prevention strategies in Africa. If this bill passes watch the AIDS rate climb as the little education that is still available dissappears. No doubt this will cheer the 'abstinence only' fanatics who would rather see people die of AIDS than learn how to prevent transmission.

    They have also been fuelling campaigns against homosexuals. While none are advocating killing anyone, all the other rhetoric that the christian right uses against homosexuals has helped to fuel this. I recently saw footage of the guy who is sponsoring this bill quoting favourably from an American activist (a moonie in this case) about how homosexuality is a 'choice'. They will, of course, wash their hands of this entirely.

    I can just imagine the reaction if a steady stream of Saudi clerics had been working with the people behind the bill.
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    The mind boggles , unbelievable .






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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    I got to love to your sarcasm.It is the irrefutable proof that diversity works.A Chinese-American and and an Eastern European have more resemblances than differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    The mind boggles , unbelievable .
    What will be next on their list??? The disabled, mentally ill, poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    What the article fails to mention is that Uganda has been the 'beneficiary' of a steady stream of evangelical activists, most American. They have been responsible for encouraging the destruction of one of the most effective AIDS prevention strategies in Africa. If this bill passes watch the AIDS rate climb as the little education that is still available dissappears. No doubt this will cheer the 'abstinence only' fanatics who would rather see people die of AIDS than learn how to prevent transmission.

    They have also been fuelling campaigns against homosexuals. While none are advocating killing anyone, all the other rhetoric that the christian right uses against homosexuals has helped to fuel this. I recently saw footage of the guy who is sponsoring this bill quoting favourably from an American activist (a moonie in this case) about how homosexuality is a 'choice'. They will, of course, wash their hands of this entirely.

    I can just imagine the reaction if a steady stream of Saudi clerics had been working with the people behind the bill.
    Very true - Rachel Maddow done a good piece on it a few days ago:

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I don't agree with it, but I must respect their culture.


    Though, I must say, it is not culture, it is the lack of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toemag View Post
    What will be next on their list??? The disabled, mentally ill, poor.

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    Tankie better not travel too far then)

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    Very true - Rachel Maddow done a good piece on it a few days ago:
    Sure she is not biased...

    Hope she travels there.
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