Killer industries in China a threat to the World

**Exarecr** · 20 Aug 09,, 12:35

It was announced today that 1,300 more children in central China have been sickened( china speak for poison)near industries that use large amounts of lead ither legally or otherwise. With the frequent callbacks of deadly Chinese products it,s time to close the doors and borders on this nightmare before they start killing our kids. When our Governments tell us they inspect Chinese products regularly you know they are full of crap and the Chinese ships full of deadly unknown toxins. I swore last year to never,ever buy anything from China. Nothing has changed except the frequency with which people get ill,thus the boycott continues as does trying to educate every one I can about these Chinese dangers. Scream away China.....sometimes a good dose of reality is good for the soul and safer for the west.

**Officer of Engineers** · 20 Aug 09,, 13:39

Originally Posted by Exarecr

It was announced today that 1,300 more children in central China have been sickened( china speak for poison)near industries that use large amounts of lead ither legally or otherwise. With the frequent callbacks of deadly Chinese products it,s time to close the doors and borders on this nightmare before they start killing our kids. When our Governments tell us they inspect Chinese products regularly you know they are full of crap and the Chinese ships full of deadly unknown toxins. I swore last year to never,ever buy anything from China. Nothing has changed except the frequency with which people get ill,thus the boycott continues as does trying to educate every one I can about these Chinese dangers. Scream away China.....sometimes a good dose of reality is good for the soul and safer for the west.

Nothing to do with food products this time but the fact that the ground water was contaiminated by an ill runned factory.

**captain** · 20 Aug 09,, 16:02

Originally Posted by Exarecr

It was announced today that 1,300 more children in central China have been sickened( china speak for poison)near industries that use large amounts of lead ither legally or otherwise. With the frequent callbacks of deadly Chinese products it,s time to close the doors and borders on this nightmare before they start killing our kids. When our Governments tell us they inspect Chinese products regularly you know they are full of crap and the Chinese ships full of deadly unknown toxins. I swore last year to never,ever buy anything from China. Nothing has changed except the frequency with which people get ill,thus the boycott continues as does trying to educate every one I can about these Chinese dangers. Scream away China.....sometimes a good dose of reality is good for the soul and safer for the west.

Exarecr,

I do not disagree with your concerns but you are going to have a tough time living without all manner of things in your home and daily life that are not manufactured in China either fully and branded as such or partially/not branded.

I am at this moment having great difficulty in resisting the urge to buy a beautifull Canadian guitar.
This one;Welcome to Prestige Guitars - Heritage Hollow

Guess what?,,it is partially manufactured in China.
My fantastic British designed Vox amp is fully manufactured in China as is my little U.S designed Fender practise amp.

There is a better than good chance that at least some of the clothes you wear (unless you are a boutique shopper) are manufactured in China and many of the electronic devices in your home are at least in part manufactured in China.

The real concern at this time, as OoE has alluded to is food or anything else for human consumption.
We would hope that our regulatory authorities are on the ball and are not susceptable to any political pressure to allow suspect items in.

Cheers.

**siberialynx** · 21 Aug 09,, 05:18

The western corporations allows it to happen too if they were so greedy to try to cut the cost by not following the safety laws and pay dirt cheap on the labours.

The western corporations have to take some blame too. I meant not some, A LOT.

And it's not like every made in china products would kill people.

Most of you are enjoying the affordable products, otherwise, many of you are using second hand stuffs.

**siberialynx** · 21 Aug 09,, 05:23

Well, I know people keep saying made in china products are craps but do you all know that Japan and Taiwan used to made crap products too?

Don't believe me, ask any older Americans, they will tell you, yeah..about 20 years ago, Japan used to make crap cars and everything made in Japan are crap and cheap too.

Give China some more time, China will definitely make more quality products too.

This is just the nature of it.

**Bigfella** · 21 Aug 09,, 05:36

Originally Posted by siberialynx

The western corporations allows it to happen too if they were so greedy to try to cut the cost by not following the safety laws and pay dirt cheap on the labours.

The western corporations have to take some blame too. I meant not some, A LOT.

And it's not like every made in china products would kill people.

Most of you are enjoying the affordable products, otherwise, many of you are using second hand stuffs.

So once again it is the fault of foreigners? Please!

**siberialynx** · 21 Aug 09,, 06:09

Originally Posted by Bigfella

So once again it is the fault of foreigners? Please!

It's hard not to get defensive when I see a total bias-racist bashing thread like this, can I?

Western corporations do have bad name when they are exploiting in developing and 3rd world countries. They do violate human rights and would hurt or even kill anyone who expose it. They pay unreasonable dirt cheap to the labours when they actually can afford to pay more, but their greed prevent them to do the right thing.
Like Nike, Dow Chemical, Coca Cola, Caterpillar, Lockheed, Philip Morris, and Wal-Mart...etc.

They squeeze the local factory owners mercilessly, that's part of the reason why some factory owners would cut corner, not paying enough for safety equitment and provide necessaily education for the workers to work on the products, just to save the costs.

Of course not all factory owners are like that, but some do and the ones who do definitely need to take the blame too.

Another thing is the western corporation would over-price their products when they sell them in their own country or other part of western world.

It is a double robbery, to the workers in developing and 3rd world countries and consumers in the western countries.

Then, another thing is , they send all the jobs oversea, create permanent job lost in their own country.

Do you know how evil the western corporations are?

I just found people do not raise enough voice on this big issue.

**siberialynx** · 21 Aug 09,, 06:21

No matter what China has made the country available to predatory foreign and domestic corporate interests, who now exploit Chinese workers by the tens of millions at miserable wages. This systematic rape by the ‘free market’ has made China home to one of the fastest-growing collections of billionaires in the world. The Beijing government is deservedly hated by the population and responds to every serious protest with repression and violence. And not to mention the sacrifice of the environment, my motherland, our beautiful earth.

But that's how the world run, not only Chinese government being bribed, also many other governments that are in developing and 3rd world countries.

That's why some would say capitalism is evil, it hold some truth to it.

**gunnut** · 21 Aug 09,, 07:20

Originally Posted by siberialynx

The western corporations allows it to happen too if they were so greedy to try to cut the cost by not following the safety laws and pay dirt cheap on the labours.

The western corporations have to take some blame too. I meant not some, A LOT.

And it's not like every made in china products would kill people.

Most of you are enjoying the affordable products, otherwise, many of you are using second hand stuffs.

And who was it that opened up China to the west?

I'm pretty sure GM and Coca Cola didn't force their way into China and set up factories without some kind of permission for the guys in charge.

**siberialynx** · 21 Aug 09,, 07:50

Originally Posted by gunnut

And who was it that opened up China to the west?

I'm pretty sure GM and Coca Cola didn't force their way into China and set up factories without some kind of permission for the guys in charge.

No......not force.....China lure them. But that was based on Deng's theroy--let some people becoming rich first. I don't deny the fact that the Chinese government are corrupting with them.

gunnut,

open up also mean allowing foreigners, espectially the corporations to exploit your own country's resource and labours to enrich them, but of course, some Chinese too, at the cost of your own people(the majorities) and damage of your own land.

**xinhui** · 21 Aug 09,, 08:21

Here are reports on this incident already posted on the following WAB thread.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/ris...tml#post665590

**Bigfella** · 21 Aug 09,, 12:35

Originally Posted by siberialynx

It's hard not to get defensive when I see a total bias-racist bashing thread like this, can I?

Western corporations do have bad name when they are exploiting in developing and 3rd world countries. They do violate human rights and would hurt or even kill anyone who expose it. They pay unreasonable dirt cheap to the labours when they actually can afford to pay more, but their greed prevent them to do the right thing.
Like Nike, Dow Chemical, Coca Cola, Caterpillar, Lockheed, Philip Morris, and Wal-Mart...etc.

They squeeze the local factory owners mercilessly, that's part of the reason why some factory owners would cut corner, not paying enough for safety equitment and provide necessaily education for the workers to work on the products, just to save the costs.

Of course not all factory owners are like that, but some do and the ones who do definitely need to take the blame too.

Another thing is the western corporation would over-price their products when they sell them in their own country or other part of western world.

It is a double robbery, to the workers in developing and 3rd world countries and consumers in the western countries.

Then, another thing is , they send all the jobs oversea, create permanent job lost in their own country.

Do you know how evil the western corporations are?

I just found people do not raise enough voice on this big issue.

If you want to throw around words like 'racist' make very sure you are clear about who you are aiming at.

As for the rest, I'll make this simple.

I have no time for compaines that pollute or exploit, no matter who they are or where they come from. I also have no time for excuse making. Western companies are great at making excuses - they blame everyone & everything but themselves for their bad behaviour. They claim that the are 'forced' to exploit & pollute because others do the same. That is the same argument you are using. I don't accept it from Westerners & I don't accept it from you.

Each company is responsible for the consequences of its own actions & each nation is responible for enforcing laws to stop those companies behaving badly. If Chinese people are being harmed by factories in China then the fault lies in....China.

read the link supplies in the previous post - China's problem's in this matter are China's fault, not everyone else's.

**siberialynx** · 21 Aug 09,, 17:33

Originally Posted by Bigfella

If you want to throw around words like 'racist' make very sure you are clear about who you are aiming at.

I appologize if you think I was referring to you. No, not you. I was talking about the OP. The thread itself. And I am not throwing around the word racist. Because it is an anti-China, generalizing, bias and racist bashing thread. It's plain for all see, I stated what it is. I do nothing wrong to point that out.

As for the rest, I'll make this simple.

I have no time for compaines that pollute or exploit, no matter who they are or where they come from. I also have no time for excuse making. Western companies are great at making excuses - they blame everyone & everything but themselves for their bad behaviour. They claim that the are 'forced' to exploit & pollute because others do the same.

So, you do admit the western corporations are also responsible for the pollution and making excuses for their bad behavious when exploitating and enriching themselves.

You have no time for it doesn't mean I can not point that out.

That is the same argument you are using. I don't accept it from Westerners & I don't accept it from you.

You choose to ignore it, don't care about it. That's fine. But it can not change the fact. That's the attitude people use when someone point out those facts. I don't accept this attitude from western corporation, other westerners, Chinese government & I don't accept it from you.

Did I ignore China's fault? no, I said in the above post that Chinese government corrupting with the western corporations and is deservingly hated by the populace. The BOTH in bed together. I bash the western corporation and I also bash the Chinese government.

Each company is responsible for the consequences of its own actions & each nation is responible for enforcing laws to stop those companies behaving badly.

Of course, you are right on this, I agree. but this is simply not the whole picture.

The Western corporation love the corruption with the Chinese corporation and Chinese officals too. Same as they are in other developing and 3rd world countries.
You do not know what western corporation can do when they have their government to back them. not only bribe, threat, assassinate too.

I got some of the knowledge from I reading a book written by an American.
My knowledge on this are not from China, they are not Chinese propaganda.

I don't know if you have read it. I think it is very interesting to know more details how exactly things work.

The name of the book called "Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins. And I am reading his second book.

If Chinese people are being harmed by factories in China then the fault lies in....China.

Yes, of course.

read the link supplies in the previous post - China's problem's in this matter are China's fault, not everyone else's.

I will certainly check it out. But in this matter.

**kuku** · 21 Aug 09,, 19:29

Originally Posted by siberialynx

It's hard not to get defensive when I see a total bias-racist bashing thread like this, can I?

Western corporations do have bad name when they are exploiting in developing and 3rd world countries. They do violate human rights and would hurt or even kill anyone who expose it. They pay unreasonable dirt cheap to the labours when they actually can afford to pay more, but their greed prevent them to do the right thing.
Like Nike, Dow Chemical, Coca Cola, Caterpillar, Lockheed, Philip Morris, and Wal-Mart...etc.

They squeeze the local factory owners mercilessly, that's part of the reason why some factory owners would cut corner, not paying enough for safety equitment and provide necessaily education for the workers to work on the products, just to save the costs.

Of course not all factory owners are like that, but some do and the ones who do definitely need to take the blame too.

Another thing is the western corporation would over-price their products when they sell them in their own country or other part of western world.

It is a double robbery, to the workers in developing and 3rd world countries and consumers in the western countries.

Then, another thing is , they send all the jobs oversea, create permanent job lost in their own country.

Do you know how evil the western corporations are?

I just found people do not raise enough voice on this big issue.

for the bolded part, i have worked for projects of Coca Cola, and can testify that they keep on updating their policy so that they keep the environmental damage to the lowest possible levels (along with controlling other issues like labour exploitation) and i know of managers, contracter who have worked with them who were more than happy to expoit their own brothers to earn a living or rather make a killing.

Its never black and white.

As a people we must be active towards such issues, i accept as developing nations implementing such policies might be difficult then the great western nations (who themselves sucked out blood from others to prosper to current levels), however we have a bigger responsibility towards our future generations.

**siberialynx** · 23 Aug 09,, 01:42

Originally Posted by kuku

for the bolded part, i have worked for projects of Coca Cola, and can testify that they keep on updating their policy so that they keep the environmental damage to the lowest possible levels (along with controlling other issues like labour exploitation) and i know of managers, contracter who have worked with them who were more than happy to expoit their own brothers to earn a living or rather make a killing.

Its never black and white.

It is nice to know Coca Cola has changed.
May be the 10 most wanted list I saw by human right organization is kind of out of date.

As a people we must be active towards such issues, i accept as developing nations implementing such policies might be difficult then the great western nations (who themselves sucked out blood from others to prosper to current levels), however we have a bigger responsibility towards our future generations.

We are the countries who possess an outstanding tradition of overcoming adversity, I would consider the present situation is a test, a challenge paving the road for the better. As long as we bear the difficulties and be patience, the best result and bright future will eventually come.