gunnut

It's a little hard to get rid of our "survival instinct" bred about over millions of years. It's hardwired into our brains. As you know, software workaround is only a temperary fix.

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gunnut

You know why we have this problem right now? Dicipline! We don't dicipline our kids any more. I don't mean physically beat our kids, but we do need to put our foot down once in a while. They need to know the rules. They need to know it's OK to do somethings and it's not OK to do some other things. Explain to them. If they don't get it, tough.

Kids diagnosed with ADD are probably from homes without strict dicipline. They just act out whatever is on their mind.

I was reading about the American Al Queda, Adam G...something. He's from a home without dicipline. That's why he went over to the side of radical islamism. It gave him a sense of dicipline and purpose.

The hippies are too lazy to take care of their own children at home so they turn to the government. When there's a problem, they do what they did best...put their kids on drugs.

entropy

Do you have a link to that explanation? Would love to back up things for the pro-pills crowd. I see too many parents just neglecting their job and putting their kids on the pills.

For everyone who reads:

Never give your child Ritalin, Relatin or Concerta no matter what the psychiatrist says.

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entropy

We'll have to wait until Homo Superior. Perhaps then communism will work and people will stop fighting and believing in bedtime stories.

entropy

Discipline isn't the final solution. I know plenty of kids who were raised too strictly. It backfired seriously. I was raised without any discipline whatsoever. My parents told me I can do whatever I like if my actions would not harm, bother or put anyone else to danger. Quickly I learned what those actions were. I learned that doing things out of protest has no sense, because I had nothing to protest against. I've been to the police,done drugs, but quickly realized it wasn't cool and stopped with it. Today I'm a self important arrogant bastard, but a responsible and logical one. I am against giving kids rules that have no logical basis.
For example: telling your kid that he can't play with his friends because it has been too much has no logical basis. What is too much? What are those limits and why the hell should they be respected? Does anyone gets better if your kids stays home and gets bored? Hell no.
The trick is to let your kid learn responsibility from experience, not from drill.

As for ADHD and the like: it is real, but it has received too much attention in the media. Has nothing to do with discipline or the lack of it. I consider it personal traits, not disorders, traits that others simply should accept, and the holder has to control, instead of using medication.

Ray

Compassionate, sensible discipline is the answer.

Dr Spock's brats will be the answer otherwise!

But one would sure want to know how our In House Parent THL does the trick and the results thereof!

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brokensickle

I heard this guy on a radio show and don't remember his name. I tried to use keywords to the subject title but could not find anything sounding like his article. Although there is much info to back up the view that these drugs are more dangerous and detrimental to children an young adults mental and physical development.

But there is big money to be made in the drug industry if people are addicted to these drugs. I believe this is a crime near equal to the illegal drug sales. Maybe even worst because it is considered "legal".

If I find that guys article I will post a thread on the subject based on his view.




Ivan

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gunnut

Of course I don't advocate beating up kids as the first or only form of discipline. Talk nicely and explain things to kids. Most of them do get it. The problem is there are always some who just won't follow the rules unless they get a good smack. Then there are those who are simply evil and will do evil things when they grow up. Hopefully those are in the extreme minority.

astralis

gunnut,

ah, yeah- you're from taiwan, alright. "spare the rod, spoil the child" ain't just a saying there, it's a way of life.

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BenRoethig

Communism relies on the good nature of people to get things done. When they find out that society cannot function on good will alone as motivation, they turn to a police state for order. The Soviet Union failed because Communism only can work in theory, it fails miserably in practice.

Socialism usually turns to crushing taxation for social problems. People find that both services and quality of life go down as a whole compared to a free-market society.

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