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The real threat from the Soviets was their ability to infiltrate the US intelligence and defence community. The Russians have traditionally been top-notch in human intelligence. The fact is, they had moles deep inside the CIA, FBI, State Dept, Naval communications and defence industry to the very end of the Cold War. They probably still do.

The McCarthy hysteria aimed at writers, actors, and "Un-American activities" was negative value-added. He diverted attention from getting the moles out of the government to going after private citizens. McCarthy couldn't have done a better job of screwing things up if he were a mole himself.

Anon

Agreed.

Of course, in hindsight, there were(and are) a LOT of communist types in hollywood(we call them leftists nowadays, lol).

Officer of Engineers

*** HOWLING WITH LAUGHTER ***

A low, down, and dirty cheap shot but what a shot! Bullseye!

Bill, you want to know the most ironic thing? The military is probably as close to a communist life style as you can get.

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Anon

In some ways, yep, it is.

troung

Hey I am to the "left" and I would not call people "baby killers" unless they had it coming... as in they actually did such

troung

Peasants around the world revolting againist economic abuses....

A royal power struggle in Laos leads to a civil war...

A Cambodian king deposed finds an army to help him try and retake the throne...

Silver tongue leftists in Latin America get elected to office then desposed by the military in a coup...

A civil war between Vietnam and both sides look into history and call in allies to support them...

Ethnic issues in other nations...

Hell I almost think that Communism is an excuse for things and not the source of the actual problems....

Don't get me wrong about these "Communist" governments often being nasty but they seem more like something out of these peoples own history rather then some new force which showed up one day and changed things...

Peasands revolted before Karl Marx was born, there were royal power struggles since before the bible was written, civil wars are a fact of life, and ethnic orgin often divides people...

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The other ironic thing is, Hollywood is probably as close to a capitalistic life-style as you can get.

Anon

Go figure.

Of course the difference is that soldiers give up rights willingly to better the lives of others, whereas hollywood stars have the best of everything, but preach to others that we should give up some of our freedoms for their social ideals.

Fucck them.

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These days, it seems everybody wants a piece of my freedoms "for their social ideals" - Hollywood will just have to stand in line.

I was hoping our "Governator" here might be a different sort of Hollywood, but he seems to be morphing into Gray Davis (last Cal Gov). Oh well, HE CAN STILL KICK YOUR GOVERNOR'S ASS!!!!

By the way, who IS your governor?

Anon

Ed Rendell.

Typical democrat whore, but very popular, and he actually does know how to create a budget surplus.

The PA state congress is sufficiently republican that he can't cram any of that leftist silliness down our throats, so i guess it's all good in the end.

Watch out for him for President or VP in the years to come. The guy is super popular among those that know him.

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Budget Surplus? I thought that idea was obsolete. Being a fiscal conservative myself, I would like to see more politicians who know how to balance budgets.

Confed999

Several billion dollar surplus here...

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even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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Hollywood "left wing" are simply the most arrogance "intellectuals" I've ever seen...

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Hollywood is Intellectual? Do you consider People Magazine intellectual?

Arrogant, yes.



But, even Hollywood lies on a bell curve. A few decent folks here and there.

deadkenny

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Originally Posted by deadkenny
Actually all 'western industrialized' countries have aspects of socialism, even the US. Maybe the US is less so that others, but especially since FDR's "New Deal" certainly, the US is on the 'slippery slope'.






Yes, it does appear to have that effect.

I'm not sure why you went off on a communist harangue in connection with what I said. I wasn't even discussing communism, but rather socialism. If you don't understand the difference, then perhaps you should do a bit more research. The US so obviously is NOT a true laissez faire capitalist society that it doesn't even seem worth debating. What do you think Social Security is after all?