qestions for anti-CCPs

**Fiona Shrot** · 22 Apr 08, 06:32

I didnt try to join the communist party and never will I, but I dont agree that CCP is as bad/ nasty/ imperious as many members said.

Although there are many problems with the current system under the rule of CCP, China could hardly find out a better way to change the conditions. So here are my questions:

1. Do you think China doesnt need CCP's government any more? Or do you think CCP should improve itself and continue its regime? Or do you think the best way is to add one or more parties to come into power? What do you expect China's polity should be like?

Please analyze the feasibility of your suggestion.

2. There is another problem: whatever the world criticize CCP for, over 90% of the Chinese would support its regime when it comes to anything to do with nationalism just as what astralis said. So once anyone or any medium talks about Taiwan or Tibet issues, it is likely that overwhelming majority of the Chinese people will take the CCP's side.

How to solve this problem.

3. CCP have done some achievements and some wrong decisions as well. Could you tell me what you know about (and please evaluate,too) what CCP did during the the past 49 years?

For instance, whether Deng Xiaoping's "capitalist road" is a right choice for China at that moment and in the long run?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

**1947** · 22 Apr 08, 06:41

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

I didnt try to join the communist party and never will I, but I dont agree that CCP is as bad/ nasty/ imperious as many members said.

Although there are many problems with the current system under the rule of CCP, China could hardly find out a better way to change the conditions. So here are my questions:

1. Do you think China doesnt need CCP's government any more? Or do you think CCP should improve itself and continue its regime? Or do you think the best way is to add one or more parties to come into power? What do you expect China's polity should be like?

Please analyze the feasibility of your suggestion.

2. There is another problem: whatever the world criticize CCP for, over 90% of the Chinese would support its regime when it comes to anything to do with nationalism just as what astralis said. So once anyone or any medium talks about Taiwan or Tibet issues, it is likely that overwhelming majority of the Chinese people will take the CCP's side.

How to solve this problem.

3. CCP have done some achievements and some wrong decisions as well. Could you tell me what you know about (and please evaluate,too) what CCP did during the the past 49 years?

For instance, whether Deng Xiaoping's "capitalist road" is a right choice for China at that moment and in the long run?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

1. china should embrace a multi party system like india
india has just as many ethnicities as china and seems to be doing fine this is not to say indian ethnic politics has been smooth it too has had it hiccups

2. let there be independent free media in china the news in china today is very biased or heavily censored

3. CCP reformed the economy but it's also had a very dark side especially during mao's cultural revolution and his purges

**Fiona Shrot** · 22 Apr 08, 06:59

Originally Posted by 1947

1. china should embrace a multi party system like india
india has just as many ethnicities as china and seems to be doing fine this is not to say indian ethnic politics has been smooth it too has had it hiccups

2. let there be independent free media in china the news in china today is very biased or heavily censored

3. CCP reformed the economy but it's also had a very dark side especially during mao's cultural revolution and his purges

1.China is very prudent when she takes every step forward. One-party can guarantee that there wont be a turbulence for power. Besides, suppose two parties, could this happen: after another party assume the control, it becomes another CCP and banish multi-party system? Take a look at China's history, you can find it was very uncommon that more than one group reigned over the country peacefully.

2. I agree. However, just like me, some Chinese can get the information from all over the world and talk with you here, but I am not convinced that CCP did what the western media said, because I found they were also telling lies as CCP.

3. Ok, it is nothing new. Everyone in China knows that. And the party today is trying to correct and make up for what Mao did during the cultural evolution.

Thanks.

**Officer of Engineers** · 22 Apr 08, 07:05

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

1. Do you think China doesnt need CCP's government any more? Or do you think CCP should improve itself and continue its regime? Or do you think the best way is to add one or more parties to come into power? What do you expect China's polity should be like?

A Presidential Democracy with an Elected Legislature and an Independent Judiciary. China does not fit the Parliamentary model. You want to elect a strongman who will oversee the Legislature, not be part of the Legislature..

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

2. There is another problem: whatever the world criticize CCP for, over 90% of the Chinese would support its regime when it comes to anything to do with nationalism just as what astralis said. So once anyone or any medium talks about Taiwan or Tibet issues, it is likely that overwhelming majority of the Chinese people will take the CCP's side.

Until the body bags start coming home. Let me ask you this. Would the Chinese People tolerate another 1st Sino-Vietnam War where they lost 30,000 troops just so that they can teach Vietnam a lesson. Would 30,000 mothers allow the CCP to throw their sons' lives away just so that the CCP can say that they taught the bad guys a lesson?

That 90% support is a red herring. All peoples support their leaders in times of crisis ... even when their leaders are wrong.

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

3. CCP have done some achievements and some wrong decisions as well. Could you tell me what you know about (and please evaluate,too) what CCP did during the the past 49 years?

Oh jeeze, let's see.

Liberation -> the Korean War -> Great Leap Forward -> 1962 Sino-Indo War - Sino-Soviet Split - Great Prolitereate Cultural Revolution -> the American-Vietnam War -> Sino-US re-approachment/aka Ping Pong diplomacy -> Mini Civil War between the Red Guards and the PLA -> Deng Xia Peng's Democracy Wall, 100 Flowers Campaign -> 1st Sino-Vietnam War -> the Four Modernizations -> 2nd Sino-VN War -> Covert Support to the Afghan Mujahadeen -> Transit way for American weapons to Iran during the Iran-Iraq War -> Sino-Soviet Reapproachment -> Tienamen Square

I'm sure I missed a lot in there but that's the top of my head in a 2 minute spurt.

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

For instance, whether Deng Xiaoping's "capitalist road" is a right choice for China at that moment and in the long run?

It was the only choice after Mao's disaster as the living god

**Ray** · 22 Apr 08, 07:54

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

I didnt try to join the communist party and never will I, but I dont agree that CCP is as bad/ nasty/ imperious as many members said.

If you are not a Communist Party member, it means that you are not hardwroking and brilliant since a Chinese poster informed us that only the hard working and brilliant are taken into the Communist Party and the remainder are peasants and labourers!!

Although there are many problems with the current system under the rule of CCP, China could hardly find out a better way to change the conditions. So here are my questions:

A good statement.

It will ensure that you do not get into serious trouble when you return home!

1. Do you think China doesnt need CCP's government any more? Or do you think CCP should improve itself and continue its regime? Or do you think the best way is to add one or more parties to come into power? What do you expect China's polity should be like?

Communism is a failed doctrine.

China itself has abandoned it since they realised Mao's foolishness to have adopted it.

However, the Chinese govt maintain the facade of Communism so since it is the most powerful system of governance that can suppress the people and keep those in power always in power.

2. There is another problem: whatever the world criticize CCP for, over 90% of the Chinese would support its regime when it comes to anything to do with nationalism just as what astralis said. So once anyone or any medium talks about Taiwan or Tibet issues, it is likely that overwhelming majority of the Chinese people will take the CCP's side.

It is easy for the Communist Party to do so.

Dissension is just not encouraged.

If anyone steps out of line, he is sent for re-education or hard labour in a prison as the Tibetans are being re-educated in 'patriotism'.

Xenophobia is a dangerous psychological ailment of a people.

The Germans learnt it the hard way when they were fooled by Hitler.

One day, the Chinese will also learn the same!

3. CCP have done some achievements and some wrong decisions as well. Could you tell me what you know about (and please evaluate,too) what CCP did during the the past 49 years?

Goondamunda has stated we know nothing about China.

Please educate us.

The only thing good China has done for India is that it attacked us in 1962 to teach us a lesson. I thank China for it. It was a good lesson and now we have woken up and none can teach us any more lessons!!

For instance, whether Deng Xiaoping's "capitalist road" is a right choice for China at that moment and in the long run?

Yes, it is a warning to all who wish to follow the Communist path that Communism is horse puckey as the Colonel says!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Thank you for asking!

**Fiona Shrot** · 22 Apr 08, 08:24

[QUOTE=Ray;486252]

If you are not a Communist Party member, it means that you are not hardwroking and brilliant since a Chinese poster informed us that only the hard working and brilliant are taken into the Communist Party and the remainder are peasants and labourers!!

Rayji, you may have used a wrong logic. What the Chinese member said was that usually only the hard working and brilliant were taken into the Communist Party. However, it doesnt mean that all of them have to join C/P, because everyone has his/her own choice.

A good statement.

It will ensure that you do not get into serious trouble when you return home!

I wont, as long as I have nothing with Falun Gong.

Communism is a failed doctrine.

China itself has abandoned it since they realised Mao's foolishness to have adopted it.

However, the Chinese govt maintain the facade of Communism so since it is the most powerful system of governance that can suppress the people and keep those in power always in power.

In fact, Mao knew little thing about Communism

strange...
He seldom read books about it...What he liked were Chinese traditional books

However, according to Karl Marx's philosophy, communism is convincingly perfect in the realm of politics and ideology, but I have doubts whether it could come true.

It is easy for the Communist Party to do so.

Dissension is just not encouraged.

If anyone steps out of line, he is sent for re-education or hard labour in a prison as the Tibetans are being re-educated in 'patriotism'.

Xenophobia is a dangerous psychological ailment of a people.

The Germans learnt it the hard way when they were fooled by Hitler.

One day, the Chinese will also learn the same!

Xenophobia? How come, Sir. Ray? Every year, China opens its door to millions of FDI and visitors from abroad. And why long run in applying for Olympics and
World Expo? For profit? I bet they will get deficit. For the communication with the world.

Goondamunda has stated we know nothing about China.

Please educate us.

The only thing good China has done for India is that it attacked us in 1962 to teach us a lesson. I thank China for it. It was a good lesson and now we have woken up and none can teach us any more lessons!!

I heard different versions about this war. It is said that India would like to seize some parts of Tibet, so that CCP had to defense and at last the PLA were quite "polite" to Indian army.

Please show me the facts you know, Sir. At that time, I were still in the heaven.

Thanks, Rayji.

**Officer of Engineers** · 22 Apr 08, 08:27

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

Please show me the facts you know, Sir. At that time, I were still in the heaven.

Sir,

I'm not sure but did she just called us dinosaurs?

**~~pravin~~** · 22 Apr 08, 08:47

Greatest achievement of CCP
Making people work with the help of a whip

**Officer of Engineers** · 22 Apr 08, 08:48

Originally Posted by pravin

Greatest achievement of CCP
Making people work with the help of a whip

Then, you ignored the nightmare that was the GPCR.

**Fiona Shrot** · 22 Apr 08, 08:48

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

A Presidential Democracy with an Elected Legislature and an Independent Judiciary. China does not fit the Parliamentary model. You want to elect a strongman who will oversee the Legislature, not be part of the Legislature..

Perhaps, the richest one would be the president if we apply an election system like US, because he could give millions of the poor short-run benefit (eg. some money) and they need it a lot to solve their current problems (eg. to pay bills for the treatment of a cancer)

Until the body bags start coming home. Let me ask you this. Would the Chinese People tolerate another 1st Sino-Vietnam War where they lost 30,000 troops just so that they can teach Vietnam a lesson. Would 30,000 mothers allow the CCP to throw their sons' lives away just so that the CCP can say that they taught the bad guys a lesson?

I discussed a lot of people in China about what would they do if China got invaded and decided to start a war. Most of them said they joined the army and went to the battlefield.
Take China-Korea War as an example, all of the soldiers were voluntary to go to Korea peninsula to fight for both North-Korea and China, and many of their families also seemed proud of their sons.

I hate wars actually. However, if people dont fight when the nation get threatened, the history during Japanese invasion may happen again.

Oh jeeze, let's see.

Liberation -> the Korean War -> Great Leap Forward -> 1962 Sino-Indo War - Sino-Soviet Split - Great Prolitereate Cultural Revolution -> the American-Vietnam War -> Sino-US re-approachment/aka Ping Pong diplomacy -> Mini Civil War between the Red Guards and the PLA -> Deng Xia Peng's Democracy Wall, 100 Flowers Campaign -> 1st Sino-Vietnam War -> the Four Modernizations -> 2nd Sino-VN War -> Covert Support to the Afghan Mujahadeen -> Transit way for American weapons to Iran during the Iran-Iraq War -> Sino-Soviet Reapproachment -> Tienamen Square

Cool.
"Great Cultural Revolution" and "Tian'anmen Square Event" were terrible, while as to others, I am still wondering whether they were the best options for China at that moment.

Thanks for your answer.

**Fiona Shrot** · 22 Apr 08, 08:52

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Sir,

I'm not sure but did she just called us dinosaurs?

Sir,

I am not sure about what exactly you meant.

But compared with dinosaurs, you are very very young.

BTW, we call ugly girls dinosaurs in China. I am sure you are not.

**Fiona Shrot** · 22 Apr 08, 08:56

Originally Posted by pravin

Greatest achievement of CCP
Making people work with the help of a whip

Even if true, better than being abused and killed by Japanese, and hard taxes and poverty in Qing Dynasty before that. Just joking.

Pravin, use your facts, not only points.

**Officer of Engineers** · 22 Apr 08, 08:59

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

Perhaps, the richest one would be the president if we apply an election system like US, because he could give millions of the poor short-run benefit (eg. some money) and they need it a lot to solve their current problems (eg. to pay bills for the treatment of a cancer)

Do you even understand the concept of a democracy? It is not about the richest man being president. It's YOU who is going to DECIDE whose message you like best ... or in most cases, hate the least but YOU have to DECIDE. The point about Presidential Democracy is that YOU will have to CHOOSE who you will listen to and follow.

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

I discussed a lot of people in China about what would they do if China got invaded and decided to start a war. Most of them said they joined the army and went to the battlefield.

My dear Young Lady, as I stated, a lot of us are soldiers here. Most of you would join the army ... and most of you would run from the battlefield. It takes hard training to just to stay ... and even more training to fight ... and a lot more training not to fight.

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

Take China-Korea War as an example, all of the soldiers were voluntary to go to Korea peninsula to fight for both North-Korea and China, and many of their families also seemed proud of their sons.

They were also soldiers, battle hardened soldiers, not school boys and school girls.

And you're ignoring my question. Would your mother allow you to die just teach someone a lesson?

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

I hate wars actually. However, if people dont fight when the nation get threatened, the history during Japanese invasion may happen again.

What about the 1979 1st Sino-Vietnam War? 30,000 Chinese soldiers died in 30 days of fighting and their families got paid not enough to even buy a cow.

Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

Cool.
"Great Cultural Revolution" and "Tian'anmen Square Event" were terrible, while as to others, I am still wondering whether they were the best options for China at that moment.

The GPCR is only good in learning what NOT to do. Tienamen Square was an internal power struggle within the CCP. It should have never happened.

**goodamanda** · 22 Apr 08, 09:09

[QUOTE=Ray;486252]

If you are not a Communist Party member, it means that you are not hardwroking and brilliant since a Chinese poster informed us that only the hard working and brilliant are taken into the Communist Party and the remainder are peasants and labourers!!

Ray, What you said is right 5 years ago. But now sth has changed. If you want to work for the gov, you'd beetter be a member of CCP. If you are a business man, teacher, doctor , office lady etc, nobody care about you are a CCP or not. CCP doesn't mean you are hardworking and brillinat, all chinese people know this.

**~~pravin~~** · 22 Apr 08, 10:01

by Fiona shrot
I discussed a lot of people in China about what would they do if China got invaded and decided to start a war. Most of them said they joined the army and went to the battlefield.

Big gas
Most of the people will piss in the pants when the first round of fire starts.
War is not toygun popping.Have u ever seen a street brawl.You must have a strong willpower to first stand in the field.Do you think its a counter strike game
ASK SOME OF THE VETERNANS IN THIS BOARD .THEY WILL TELL U.WHAT IS WAR.

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