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    A Russians view of Russia

    But of course we probably wont hear from him again. He thinks hes safe in the US from Russian shenanigans. He not.

    Once again the blatantly false, virulent antii-American propaganda is the only card authoritarian governments have to play because they have nothing else to offer.

    Although I disagree that ignoring Russia is the answer. People need to wake up and soon but they wont and this is what leads to wars.

    Appeasement does not work and has never worked.

    Of course the Russian appologists here are certain to take exception but they have no credibility and dont even patronise the premier Russian military/Political/Life site.

    All they can sputter is the same old tired "anti-American" slogans and ignore all current and historical evidence that directly contradicts their grossly outrageous, foolish, absurd, false and ludicrous assertions and contentions.

    And why?

    Because their agenda is not to improve Russia but to destroy the US at any and all costs.

    They may soon get their wish.

    WARFARE.RU RUSSIAN DEFENSE FORUM -> NEWS

    Article published Sunday, November 18, 2007
    Russian autocrats count on anti-Americanism for a boost


    As usual, flu season came earlier to Russia than to the West, both physically and politically.

    Congested thinking and the old Cold War headaches infect the Kremlin in arms-control negotiations with the United States. Chicken noodle soup and bed rest don't make either of these symptoms disappear.

    Russia has been threatening to nix a couple of arms treaties considered vital at the end of the Cold War, one concerning a ban on deployment of medium-range missiles and the other on limitations of conventional weapons in Europe.

    The Kremlin claims its increasing insecurity is being caused by NATO's expansion and the planned deployment in Eastern Europe of parts of a U.S. nuclear missile shield, supposedly deployed to guard Europe against missile threats from Iran.

    Several new NATO member states are former Soviet satellites. Former Soviet "republics" such as Ukraine and Georgia are vying for NATO membership to be safe from Russia's regional dominance.

    Spread by the Kremlin-controlled media, rumors about "breakthroughs" in arms negotiations between the United States and Russia - complete with speculation about the possibility of major U.S. concessions - help cast Russia as a resurgent superpower.

    In the meantime, Russian media are talking up Moscow's efforts to develop new nuclear weapons and restore the fleet and the strategic air forces. Nothing illustrates this better than news earlier this year that Russia once again flies nuclear-armed bombers on ready missions near U.S. borders.

    What the Kremlin is really trying to accomplish with this new "para-Cold War" is to build up a vital part of any autocratic system - state ideology - now that communism as a viable ideology is a thing of the past.

    Having effectively assumed control of Russia, its many regions, its national parliament, judicial system, major companies, and media, the ex-KGB elite are now moving to perpetuate their grip of the country.

    It is not that the Kremlin lacks what people in Russia call "administrative resources" to assure the desired outcome of upcoming parliamentary and presidential elections. By drastically cutting the number of foreign election observers, it already cleared the way for outright cheating. And it is not that the Kremlin is worried about the loyalty of Russia's two major industries, natural gas and oil, not to mention metal and timber exporters, all long under its control.

    The Kremlin is now building a uniform ideology to assure that what people refer to as the "Putin youth" have a shared belief system to follow, other than that of cronyism. These are thousands of young sycophants of Russian President Vladimir Putin lured to him with promises of career opportunities.

    And that's where the good old anti-Americanism comes in.

    The Kremlin needs it to complete the notion of the "national idea" of Russian chauvinism with implied support of the Russian Orthodox Church. Other elements includes boosting Russian oil and gas, and remilitarization.

    Any dose of American diplomacy on these issues only feeds into Kremlin propaganda, casting Russia as an equal of the United States and helping perpetuate autocracy in Russia. It is better left untreated.

    Unless the oil prices that boost the Kremlin ego take a sudden downturn - which is unlikely - the virus will spread.
    Mike Sigov, a former Russian journalist in Moscow, is a staff writer for The Blade.
    » E-mail him at sigov@theblade.com
    » Read more Mike Sigov columns at toledoblade.com --

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    Ooooooh the irony. A lot of that article sounds like something my kombat (AKM leader in Voronezh) would say

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    The US has much more anti-russian policies (sorry if it sounds not too correct in english) than Russia has anti-american.

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    Another one blaming America for Russias actions with nothing to back it up.

    Ludicrous. Absurd. Childish. Nonsensical. False.

    This board has really gone to the Rus... er I mean dogs.

    A bunch of teenage no nothings.

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    Foxhound you're a new member. You should probably make an introduction thread in the appropriate forum.

    Мужик сделай тему в форуме introduction про себя. Типа представится, и тд. Это здесь считается вежливостью.

    Rickusn you didn't listen to what he said. He didn't assign blame. He simply said that America has more anti-Russian foreign policy, then Russia does anti-American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickusn View Post
    Another one blaming America for Russias actions with nothing to back it up.
    Ludicrous. Absurd. Childish. Nonsensical. False.
    This board has really gone to the Rus... er I mean dogs.
    A bunch of teenage no nothings.
    LOL
    ROTFLMAO
    Did you read a headline of this topic? "A Russians view of Russia". So what do you think, whose opinion would be more informative, a 50-years-old-man's from the US, or a "teenage"'s from Russia?
    And, once again, I did not blame America, read the post again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxhound_nn View Post
    The US has much more anti-russian policies (sorry if it sounds not too correct in english) than Russia has anti-american.
    And what might all of these anti-Russian policies be? Please do enlighten us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan187 View Post
    And what might all of these anti-Russian policies be? Please do enlighten us.
    I think I'll step up to the plate for once how about U.S. military bases in Central Asia? Embargoes on Russian weapon companies for selling weapons (in a truly capitalist and freemarket spirit) to anyone who pays for them? Support of anti-Russian political parties, financially, in Ukraine and Georgia? Considering Georgian NATO membership despite many previous assurances that it won't happen?

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    yeah, and of course anounced rocket bases in the eastern europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxhound_nn View Post
    yeah, and of course anounced rocket bases in the eastern europe
    Ballistic missile defence system can hardly be considered anti-Russian per se, though when taken in context for what it is, American geo-political expansion into Eastern Europe in an attempt to capitalize on anti-Russian sentiment in the post-Soviet days, it can certainly be added to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    Ballistic missile defence system can hardly be considered anti-Russian per se
    The US claims it is to defend Europe from Iran and N Korea. Does anybody believe it? First of all, Iran and N Korea will make such a long-range missiles that will be able to reach Europe in about 20 years in the best case! And second, look at the map! Is the eastern europe the best place to defend from Iran? Don't you think that it's reasonable to allocate missiles in Greese, for instance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxhound_nn View Post
    The US claims it is to defend Europe from Iran and N Korea. Does anybody believe it? First of all, Iran and N Korea will make such a long-range missiles that will be able to reach Europe in about 20 years in the best case! And second, look at the map! Is the eastern europe the best place to defend from Iran? Don't you think that it's reasonable to allocate missiles in Greese, for instance?
    You raise some valid points here. Unfortunately after a half a century of being enemies in a cold war, it will take time for the new relationships to properly take hold. I'm hoping that they will improve before too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxhound_nn View Post
    The US claims it is to defend Europe from Iran and N Korea. Does anybody believe it? First of all, Iran and N Korea will make such a long-range missiles that will be able to reach Europe in about 20 years in the best case! And second, look at the map! Is the eastern europe the best place to defend from Iran? Don't you think that it's reasonable to allocate missiles in Greese, for instance?
    Tell me where the missile defense system should be located?

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    I posted that thread link in another thread gunnut, a picture (or several in this case) is worth a thousand words isn't it?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxhound_nn View Post
    yeah, and of course anounced rocket bases in the eastern europe
    Yup, because defensive rockets threaten Russia in an offensive manner, makes perfect sense.
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