Thread: A Russians view of Russia

Originally Posted by Feanor

AKM? NBP? RSKM? All anarchists and skinheads?

Do you think no ??? Слушай, Feanor, я реально не хочу спорить об этом в открытую, они ведь все даже скорее всего не знают, о чем мы говорим. Давай в личку. Но спорить я буду. Чем же это акм, нбп и рскм особо отличаются от скинов? Всё, в личку.

В личку уже написал.

Originally Posted by Feanor

В личку уже написал.

А я уже ответил)

Originally Posted by JohnFlint1985

But it is our choice whom we consider friends or foes... And besides - this radar is not on Russian soil and no one should ask Putin’s permission or even better dispensation to conduct talks and negotiations about the security and defense. If Warsaw and Prague will find our proposition good for their countries - they will go ahead, like independent countries they are - not Russian vassals.

It's not a question of independence, it's a question of world stability. The balance will stagger. Russia isn't somebody's vassal too, so we could response without permission. But what for? It's much better to come to the agreement.
By the way, people in Czechia and Poland are against missile defence, but their governments (that are "not vassals") are pro

Originally Posted by JohnFlint1985

Well let him be whatever he wants - this is not my business. If Russian people believe in this guy and his policy - it is your choice. But it is our choice whom we consider friends or foes. Iran is a foe and this is not just American opinion but also French and German and British. I don't even count Israel which is directly threatened by this. So when all these countries are coming together and say that nuclear weapons in Iran are unacceptable - the only country that say there is nothing is Russia. And besides - this radar is not on Russian soil and no one should ask Putin’s permission or even better dispensation to conduct talks and negotiations about the security and defense. If Warsaw and Prague will find our proposition good for their countries - they will go ahead, like independent countries they are - not Russian vassals. If they will see fit to refuse - other options should be considered. So far Putin didn't produce any evidence which is threatening to Russian national security about this radar or 10 interceptors.

Russian people believe this guy, but mostly because of many other reasons. As for Iranian nuclear weapon - the ABM system doesn't solve this problem. If you build radar station in Czechia - how can that prevent Iranians from having nuclear weapon? It can't. Iran threatens Israel? But not only Iran. Seems Israel will be in safety only when it is surrounded by burnt lands where there are not a single muslim. By the way, Iran is also independent country like Poland and Czech rep.
Meanwhile Russia can't to not pay attention to military preparations near her borders in Eastern Europe. USA is arming faster and faster, they deploy a lot of weapon systems beyond US borders including Europe. We have to react.
And this is American way - to invent evidences of threat if there is lack of such evidences. Where is mr. Powell with his famous anthrax tubes?.. Where is Saddam's anthrax?.. Putin doesn't need to bluff, to forge evidences and to cheat people by imaginary threats. There are the real ones enough.

on this note, us has no buissnes if russia desides, to put missles let say in venesuella.

Originally Posted by omon

on this note, us has no buissnes if russia desides, to put missles let say in venesuella.

you meant - US would not have no business if Russia would put defensive missiles in Venezuela ?

Originally Posted by braindead

you meant - US would not have no business if Russia would put defensive missiles in Venezuela ?

i don,t belive for 1 second, missles in check republic are defencive. if us wanted a sheild agains iran they would put it closer to iran, in kuwait for example.

and yes why not, defensive missle shield in venesuella to shoot down ballictic missles lunched from both americas,(north and south) towards russia. hypoteticly speacing of course.

Originally Posted by omon

i don,t belive for 1 second, missles in check republic are defencive. if us wanted a sheild agains iran they would put it closer to iran, in kuwait for example.

and yes why not, defensive missle shield in venesuella to shoot down ballictic missles lunched from both americas,(north and south) towards russia. hypoteticly speacing of course.

You're wrong.

Originally Posted by JohnFlint1985

Honestly, I think North Korea is no longer an issue (I hope) but Iran still is. Besides what can 10 interceptors do against Russian 2500 nuclear rockets? Common be serious. Putin needs this propaganda to get himself into Heroic status of Protector of Russia - it is an election year. Because there is nothing serious behind his rhetoric.

LIKE GEORGE W BUSH AND DICK CHENEY USE 9/11 PROPAGANDA TO INVADE IRAQ CAUSE MILLION DEATH MILLION WOMAN AND CHILDRENS DISPLACE TO ESCAPE USA FREEDOM FOR OIL COME ON MEN JUST TELL THE TRUE

Originally Posted by JohnFlint1985

Let me tell you what I think of what is going on over there. Russia is becoming DE facto KGB ran state. Anybody who seriously cause them trouble end up in prison or dead. Smaller manifestations of freedom don't concern them, but bigger ones are all suppressed. Putin is quickly becoming a "father" of all Russia figure - I saw today on the Russian TV how people are calling him "father" and "savior" of Motherland. It seems to me that all these 22 years since Gorbachev started to change this country - just never existed. It is really sad that the greatest thing Russia had evaporated in a mere 5 years. Once I ask people what they think they tell me - "we prefer stability over freedom".
So in my opinion Putin is creating a parallel shadow presidency for himself without any control and outside any jurisdiction - sort of a benevolent Tsar of all Russia who is watching day and night how his country is going forward. Since he is not going to held any official post or title his power will be based on ex KGB snitches (8 million by different accounts before USSR collapsed - now about half of that), Ex KGB bureaucrats, KGB/FSB agents, border troops, customs, security apparatus and thousands of internal troops and possibly Alfa and Vympel elite anti terrorist units - all together about 10 million members.
All of this is based on huge amount of money that he controls from oil and gas industry and which he can use any time to finance his shadow government.
The only thing - this forward movement is actually full speed back wards.

YEAH YOU WANT RUSSIA TO BE PUPPET GOV LIKE GEORGIA, POLAND, UNDER PUTIN RUSSIA HAS STABILITY ECONOMY GROWN OPEN BUSINESS FREE RUSSIA, VS UNDER GEORGE W BUSH FALL DOLLAR , BAD POLICY, BACK UP DICTATOR LIKE MUSHARAF AND SAUDIA, FALSE INVASION OF IRAQ CAUSE MORE THEN 1 MILLION DEATH , 3 000 000 000 BILLIONS $ DEFICIT USE ALQAEDA AND 9/11 ASS TOOL FOR WAR SPEND TRILLIONS ON WAR, TRILLIONS DEBT DO THE MATH PUTIN VS GEORGE W BUSH

Jennery, you're trolling. If you have something substantive to add to the debate by all means please do so. Your posts thus far have not done so, and shouting incoherent irrelevancies doesn't impress anyone here.
Edit: In fact I've just realized I've already given you a warning. Bye.

Originally Posted by Feanor

You're wrong.

why?

Originally Posted by omon

why?

It has been said several times before that Czech Republic is the ideal spot to intercept Iranian missiles, and it in absolutely no position to intercept missiles from Russia. Also missiles placed in Venezuela would be in no position to intercept American ICBMs aimed at Russia.