Thread: Declaration from Turkish General Staff against anti-secularists

Originally Posted by snc128

r u against all types of Islamic life style even though they reflect humanist fractions?
r u against ppl's choice?
r u against freewill?
let ppl be free!
and dont become a real fundamentalist against Islam?
most probably,fundemantalism develops roots not only by religious ppl,but also by anti religious ones...

everyone have to check him/herself out whether they behave as an extremist or not!

No, I am not against Islamic lifestyle. There are many issues that I have read about Islamic edicts on personal hygiene that I follow and tell others to follow too. Very scientific and very logical especially in hot countries (hot = temperature and not sex!)

I am against all fundamentalism, religious or otherwise and in any country including my own country.

I believe that all can follow whatever religion they want or do not want, but they should not impose their religion on others and instead use religion upon themselves to become better people - any religion! I also believe the clergy, be they padres, temple priest or mullahs or maulavis, they should not use religion as a political tool or use to to ensure that their power is not lost. They should confine themselves to religion and religion alone.

I believe that religion has no place to decide the political course of a country.

Yes, I am an anti religion fundamentalist if you wish because I want my mind to be free of dictates by anyone or any ideology that cannot be proved on ground!

It is not Islam alone that upsets me. All religions do! Especially when it is used as a political tool to impose a religious dictatorship over the people.

Originally Posted by snc128

i think,it is oasis of some. Gov. style of Turkiye cannot be attacked since we r a member of modern world and cooperate with almost all European democracies.criticizing Turkiye in terms of democracy and secularism cannot prevent world to witness accomplishments of current Gov. ,also means to attack almost every trusted secular Gov. in Europe.

Gov. represents public and vice versa.

also,we have to understand that becoming tightly wedged into drawn lines does never make us profit.
maybe,ur understanding of secularism is so exaggrated that prevents u see modern secularism understanding.
freedom is a more important term for me than secularism.i m not comfortable in a country that i cannot govern it freely.therefore,secularim is only a component of numerous components of democracy.

You talk of freedom of the mind. Very correct, if I may say. Yes, the mind should be free.

Like the Church or the Imam can influence thoughts, so does the govt. Therefore, a govt that is Islamic in mindset can cleverly and subtly nudge the population into a religion oriented mindset.

Take the case of smoking in public. The western govt has slowly changed the mindset into believing that it is harmful. But have they shown the same alacrity and dedication towards pollution? Both smoking and pollution are harmful and the latter is more. But then the govt can't exist without industries to run the economy. Thus, selective indoctrination to suit its purpose. Likewise, a religion oriented govt can selectively change the mindset and impinge upon the freedom of the mind that you talk about!

Let the govt govern but let them not set your lifestyle.

Let the govt not force someone not to perform his five prayers if he is a Moslem, but at the same time not subtly suggest that wearing a headscarf is what Allah desires by making the PM's wife flaunt it as the height of religious obedience and loyalty. Who is she to suggest indirectly anyone's lifestyle?

I am full against to any expression about Islam in politics. Secularism is the base of all freedoms.

Turkey is the only Muslim country that has democracy, freedom of speech and an international lifestyle and that is not a coincidence. It's because of Ataturk's ideas and the Turkish army's care and attention.

Religion does not belong to states, groups or any other thing about world affairs. The religion grows in hearts individually. Then religion is clean and most valuable. In otherwise religion is an equipment to trick, drive people in order to service to temporary emotions of some groups.

This declaration should not be understood as a attempt to threat democrasy. Just oppositely; it is the guarantee of that Turkiye will never excuse ideas of medieval ages and will never be an Iran or any other teocratic, unrealist country. We made the first anti-imperialist and the first secularist national revolution in 1922 and will never let anyone to destroy this Renaisance of Eastern World.

Military declaration is nothing,also, th emost important one is that over 1,5 million Turks protesting anti-secularists in the Caglayan Square/ Istanbul. Real civillian power and the expression of democracy is that. THANKS TO ATATURK AND HIS GENERATION!

I was there, at Caglayan Square, and we were thousands, even millions over there.

we are the children of ATATURK!

we are all moslem and secular at the same time!

and

it was a fully democratic move and they (govn) should see that people dont want them any more!