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    Federal Budget

    OK, I'll leap first on this one. Surprised no one has brought this up, but then again, it is an odd budget coming from a CPC gov. I had to do a media analysis and while there were some good reviews, it has been receiving overwhelmingly negative response and cynicism, and not just from left wingers.

    What do you think of it?

    March 22, 2007
    THE STARPHOENIX


    Budget mocks conservative principles

    Niels Veldhuis and Jason Clemens, The StarPhoenix

    The following viewpoint was prepared by Veldhuis, senior economist with the Fraser Institute in Vancouver, and Clemens, director of fiscal studies at the institute.

    The budget delivered Monday by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty was conservative in name only. It increases the size and scope of activity undertaken by the federal government and relies largely on a host of activist economic policies rather than focus on creating the right environment to encourage economic activity.

    The budget plan calls for program spending to increase to $199.6 billion in 2007-08. That's an increase of $10.7 billion from the 2006-07 budget and comes after a $13.8-billion increase in program spending implemented last year.

    What's more, the increases were initiated by a government that made a commitment to constrain its program spending increases to the rate of growth of the population and inflation.

    The most important gauge of the breadth and depth of government activity is to measure its spending as a share of the economy. The share of the economy represented by federal program spending will increase to 13.3 per cent in 2007-08 from 12.8 per cent a year earlier.

    Ottawa is increasing its size rather than reducing it at a time of relative economic strength. An economic downturn or slowdown could mean a more pronounced increase in the size of the federal government.

    Two areas that highlight the budget's policy approach are the fiscal balance and tax relief.

    The centerpiece of the budget was a $39-billion increase in transfers to the provinces over the next seven years, to deal with the fiscal balance between Ottawa and the provinces. It includes a significant increase in equalization and the Canada Social Transfer (used for post-secondary and social services) along with new transfers for labour market training, infrastructure, and climate change.

    Flaherty boldly declared: "The long, tiring, unproductive era of bickering between the provincial and federal governments is over."

    Unfortunately, true to history, the bickering and demands resumed shortly after. It's much easier for the provinces to constantly demand more from Ottawa while hiding behind federal mandates such as the principles enshrined in the Canada Health Act.

    Although the feds have increased cash transfers to the provinces for health care by $36 billion since 1997, that hasn't stopped the provinces from demanding ever greater sums from Ottawa.

    More importantly, the increased transfer of cash has not resulted in better access to medical care. Waiting times for health care in Canada are nearly 50 per cent longer than they were in 1997 and access to technologies such as MRIs and CT scanners have also decreased.

    A conservative approach to fixing the fiscal balance would have seen Ottawa remove itself from these areas, which it readily admits are exclusively provincial responsibility. In other words, the feds should have eliminated transfers, reduced federal taxes and allowed the provinces to increase their own taxes.

    This clarifies the role of governments in the minds of citizens since those raising the revenues are also those responsible for providing services.

    This so-called conservative government chose instead to follow the tried and tested path of simply increasing the amount of transfers.

    Equally as telling were the tax relief measures in the budget. Overall tax cuts played a relatively small part in the budget -- for every $1 of tax relief, spending was increased by nearly $2.50.
    environment for individuals and businesses to flourish was near absent save for a few measures, which are important but were the exception rather than the rule in this budget.

    The budget should have included personal and business income tax rate reductions. Activist economic policies that increase the size and scope of government have failed Canada in the past. Unfortunately for Canadians, the "New" federal government took a page from the previous Liberal government.

    That is, rather than focus on creating the right conditions under which all Canadians can prosper, Monday's budget resorted to picking winners and losers. And that's a mug's game.
    More revealing than the spend-tax relief gap is the lack of broad-based tax relief. The government chose instead to pick winners -- if you're a trucker, a manufacturer, energy company, fisherman, farmer, purchaser of a hybrid vehicle, and/or senior -- then you may have benefited from the budget.

    For average Canadians, particularly those without children, there wasn't any broad-based tax relief. The type of broad-based tax relief characteristic of an economic approach focusing on creating the right economic
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    When Stephen Dion claims that Harper is taking Liberal Ideas and claiming them as his own, he is largely correct.

    This budget, is nothing but a page taken right from the Liberals book on how to win elections.

    Give alot to Quebec and Ontario, and leave everyone else to fight for the scraps. Leaving the praries and the Maratimes with nothing but crumbs.

    I was hoping that the government would have fallen over this budget, so that we could have an election and get a majority for the Conservatives. But it looks like that wont happen now that the Bloc has supported the budget (not surprised that the Liberals and NDP apposed the budget).

    Overall Id say, its definately not a Conservative Budget, its a give me a majority any way I can budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canmoore View Post
    Overall Id say, its definately not a Conservative Budget, its a give me a majority any way I can budget.
    looks that way.
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    I wasn't expecting a stellar budget with a minority gov. anyway so I'm somewhat surprised it acctually passed. To be fair Quebec and Ontario due to their large populations pay more taxes so why not give them more in return? I doubt that trend would continue under either the Liberals or Conservatives in a majority gov.
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    Try telling that to someone in St.John's

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    I remember when Harper back in the Reform days, blasted Chretien for using Canadian tax dollars to buy votes in Quebec. Well, now he has done a back flip that would certainly be worth a gold medal at the Olympics.

    Offering 1.6billion of taxpayer dollars to Quebec, during a provincial election in that provice. And Federalist Jean Charest, turns around and says that if elected he will give Quebecers a 700 million dollar taxbreak with the 1.6 billion that Ottawa will be giving to Quebec in equalization payments..

    Harper..you are now no more better than the little guy from Shawinigan

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    I remember when Harper back in the Reform days, blasted Chretien for using Canadian tax dollars to buy votes in Quebec.
    Canmoore, you know better.

    Politics is never about the good guy, its about the less of the evils. At this point, I'll still rather give my vote to the PC's. If they don't buy the votes, then we end up dealing with the Liberals all over again. What would you prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canmoore View Post
    Try telling that to someone in St.John's
    Hey I live in B.C., I'm hearing it already...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canmoore View Post
    I remember when Harper back in the Reform days, blasted Chretien for using Canadian tax dollars to buy votes in Quebec. Well, now he has done a back flip that would certainly be worth a gold medal at the Olympics.

    Offering 1.6billion of taxpayer dollars to Quebec, during a provincial election in that provice. And Federalist Jean Charest, turns around and says that if elected he will give Quebecers a 700 million dollar taxbreak with the 1.6 billion that Ottawa will be giving to Quebec in equalization payments..

    Harper..you are now no more better than the little guy from Shawinigan
    Harper didn't have a majority govt. like Cretien...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurkon View Post
    Canmoore, you know better.

    Politics is never about the good guy, its about the less of the evils. At this point, I'll still rather give my vote to the PC's. If they don't buy the votes, then we end up dealing with the Liberals all over again. What would you prefer?
    Oh I know.. Im just not very happy about this budget

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    Not every budget can be peaches and cream and this country is not falling apart because of one budget...
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    I would have liked to see maximum emphasis on debt reduction, instead of either tax cuts or spending increases.

    Money saved on interest payments, for example, should go towards further debt reduction, not towards tax cuts or increased spending.

    We have pretty good economic times here, on the whole. There will never be a better time to kill the debt.

    And it's vital to reduce debt right now, because we have a series of "whammies" on the horizon:

    1. An aging population and rising dependency ratio.

    2. The high cost of environmental measures.

    3. Mounting inflation due to over a decade of loose monetary policy.

    Combine those with the normal cyclic recession to be expected in a couple of years, and we have a tight fiscal situation to look forward to in the future. If unemployment ever rises again, revenues will fall and gov't spending will have to rise. If inflation ever rises again, interest rates will have to rise and then the still-large debt will demand a big share of gov't revenue just to service.

    That means eliminating debt is something which must happen now.

    In the 1990's the Chretien/Martin Liberals stopped the bleeding of the Mulroney and Trudeau years, but they made only token moves to actually reduce the aggregate debt.

    Harper and his "Conservatives" are typically fonder of tax cuts than debt reduction. And with vote-buying in mind, Harper is adding to the spending commitments, too. Worse, he's doing it with locked-in future commitments to the provinces, leaving any future federal gov't with less flexibility. Even Paul Martin didn't do that.

    Genuine fiscal conservatives, as usual, are seemingly nowhere to be found in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cape_royds View Post
    I would have liked to see maximum emphasis on debt reduction, instead of either tax cuts or spending increases.

    Money saved on interest payments, for example, should go towards further debt reduction, not towards tax cuts or increased spending.

    We have pretty good economic times here, on the whole. There will never be a better time to kill the debt.

    And it's vital to reduce debt right now, because we have a series of "whammies" on the horizon:

    1. An aging population and rising dependency ratio.

    2. The high cost of environmental measures.

    3. Mounting inflation due to over a decade of loose monetary policy.

    Combine those with the normal cyclic recession to be expected in a couple of years, and we have a tight fiscal situation to look forward to in the future. If unemployment ever rises again, revenues will fall and gov't spending will have to rise. If inflation ever rises again, interest rates will have to rise and then the still-large debt will demand a big share of gov't revenue just to service.

    That means eliminating debt is something which must happen now.

    In the 1990's the Chretien/Martin Liberals stopped the bleeding of the Mulroney and Trudeau years, but they made only token moves to actually reduce the aggregate debt.

    Harper and his "Conservatives" are typically fonder of tax cuts than debt reduction. And with vote-buying in mind, Harper is adding to the spending commitments, too. Worse, he's doing it with locked-in future commitments to the provinces, leaving any future federal gov't with less flexibility. Even Paul Martin didn't do that.

    Genuine fiscal conservatives, as usual, are seemingly nowhere to be found in this country.
    Cape Royds, would not low debt levels induce poiticians to spend more? By keeping debt levels high will it not make wasteful expenditure difficult, if not unfeasible? Parkinson's law holds good for federal debt levels in all populist democracies.

    Of course debt should be in manageble proportions, meaning future generations should not be burdened with high taxes just to pay-off such debt. If reduction in debt is tied to balanced budgets and flat taxes, then it may be good idea.

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    A high debt level in itself does not make a government behave more prudently. Governments around the world have repeatedly plunged into currency crises sooner than control spending.

    A high debt level simply means inefficiency, in that a bigger share of the revenues collected go to interest payments on the debt. What a waste of taxpayers' money.

    In fact, commitments to debt reduction are more effective in controlling government expenditure than commitments to a balanced budget, which usually contain all sorts of escape clauses. Debt reduction targets, on the other hand, offer both politicians and public alike a set of harder numbers on which to judge performance.

    Unfortunately, the current government has only committed to three billion in debt reduction, compared to Martin's last fiscal year in 2005, which cut eight billion from the debt.

    Finally, there's nothing wrong with allowing the future to make its own choices. But to have heavy public debt is to oppress the future.

    No one can guarantee that people in the future will be wise. We can only try to hold our own end up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cape_royds View Post
    No one can guarantee that people in the future will be wise. We can only try to hold our own end up.
    Nice!
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