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how about peace? It is surely not allone the EUs "fault" that we did not have another great war in the last sixty years, but it has cerntainly leat to a series of events that resulted that it is now impossible for us to imiage that countries like Germany and France would go to war with each other. Something everybody was afraid of after the second world war, but now our ecenomies are so connected with each other that even if we would want to we could simply not afford it anymore.Originally Posted by knockers
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Can anyone tell me what we get out of being members of the EU.
Because i honestly can't think of anything
And it was the idea of enforcing peace (through means of union first in ecenomical, and then in political sense) which was basic idiology behind the union from the start.
This is the greatest myth about the EU that its gave Europe 50years of peace.
The USA and NATO have given Europe 50years of peace and democracy,not the EU.
The British joined a free trade area not a interfering power grabbing wannabe empire.
It was the cold war that forced europe into peace, it was the eu that made them wanting it too.
We can trade with America,Australia etc... we don't need a politcal union with these countries to do so!!!!
Alls the British people ever wanted from Europe is a freetrade agreement and a level playing field,something that even now the EU doesnt have after 50years!!
My first reaction was to write a summary about how the EU helped improved the general wealth in europe (based on some books and artivles i own), then I decided that it would be fairer if I would use online sources in English so you could check what I write...but then i took five minutes and looked at your other posts in this forum and until now I have not seen a single post of you that consisted of more than two or three sentences and had anything really interessting to add to the conversation except your own opionen. Of course you have every right to do so, but please dont except me to waste a lot of time to look up data you will likely neither care for nor look into. You have made up your mind and nothing i might write is going to change it, and to be honest I doubt you have much to write I would find interesting. This is not meant to offend you, but simply to expain why I wont further argue with you in this subject. In the meanwhile I hope Tiger finds the data he is looking for, I would certainly like to through a look on it.
"You have made up your mind"
I have a long time ago
As far as I am aware, Great Britain has never instigated a war with its European neighbours in the last sixty years so I am sure that peace would still be maintained, from our point of view, whether we are in the Eu or not. The 'big' players in the EU (France and Germany) seem to cherry pick which directives they want to implement whereas our idiot politicians seem to implement every crackpot directive - hardly fair is it?
Think the poll is telling a fair story Dave , in a small way
FEAR NAUGHT
Should raw analytical data ever be passed to policy makers?
uhm I am n ot sure if I understand what you mean, we are just as binded by the eu decisions than your nation is (and btw: every eu-member can veto pretty much anything, so those directives can only be forced uopn you if your politicans agreeds to them). And to you really think that in an alternate timeline where france and germany would have gone to war again, the UK could have simply ignored it?
A recent poll of what the British think of the EU was 25percent want out,25percent want the EU as is,50percent want a different relationship with the EU.
We should have a referendum every 10years or so on wherther we want to carry on being apart of it.
Theres a move to get rid of the veto on virtually everything.
After the war ,there was absolulately no chance of another war starting with or with out the EU.
And Germany would be better off out of the EU like it would be better off not having the Euro.
What I mean Tarek is that when directives have been issued, GB appears to implement them all and stick to the letter of the law whereas other EU countries do seem to only enforce directives which they think will benefit them - the other directives which have been passed by the EU mandarins and do not appeal to those countries appear to 'overlooked' by their governments. This is one reason why a great number of the British electorate would prefer not to be part of the EU - it is because the MEP's tend to become 'yes' men to the European Council and agree to any crackpot directive that is proposed even though it will not benefit the country in any way. Look at the once great British fishing fleet, they are not allowed to fish in their own waters, or rather they can fish but are restricted to the amount of fish they can catch, whereas the Spanish or Portuguese fleet is allocated a higher catch than our fishermen in our waters - where is the logic in that? Also look at the countries in Europe who opted to stay out of the EU; they are still prospering and trading in Europe so I personally would prefer to be out of it altogether; make our own laws which are pertinent to this country and regain authority over our borders to restrict immigration.
Can the two British people who voted in favour of the EU own up
I'm one of the two!Can the two British people who voted in favour of the EU own upNice to know that I wasn't alone in my reasoning
Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.
So if the Cornish people one day gain what they want Glyn, you as Emperor and a supporter of the EU how will you stand on immigration and such into your little state?I'm one of the two!
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