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    war crime
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    Any of various crimes, such as genocide or the mistreatment of prisoners of war, committed during a war and considered in violation of the conventions of warfare.

    war crime

    Any violation of the laws of war, as laid down by international customary law and certain international treaties. At the end of World War II, the part of the London Agreement signed by the U.S., Britain, the Soviet Union, and France established three categories of war crime: conventional war crimes (including murder, ill treatment, or deportation of the civilian population of occupied territories), crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity (political, racial, or religious persecution against any civilian population). The charter also provided for an international military tribunal to try major Axis war criminals. It further stated that a defendant's position as head of state would not free him from accountability, nor would having acted on orders or out of military necessity. German and Japanese war criminals were tried before Allied tribunals in Nürnberg and Tokyo in 1945–46 and 1946–48, respectively, and in the 1990s tribunals were created for the prosecution of war crimes committed in Rwanda and the territory of the former Yugoslavia. See also Geneva Convention; genocide; Hague Convention; Nürnberg trial.
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    war crimes, in international law, violations of the laws of war (see war, laws of). Those accused have been tried by their own military and civilian courts, by those of their enemy, and by expressly established international tribunals.

    The records of the war crimes trials after World War II provide one of the most comprehensive formulations of the concept of war crimes. During that war the Allies agreed to try Axis war criminals. In Aug., 1945, Great Britain, France, the USSR, and the United States established a tribunal at Nuremberg to try military and civilian Axis leaders whose alleged crimes were directed at more than one national group. The trial opened in Nov., 1945. Voluminous evidence was presented to prove the plotting of aggressive warfare, the extermination of civilian populations (especially the Jews), the widespread use of slave labor, the looting of occupied countries, and the maltreatment and murder of prisoners of war. Among those sentenced to death (1946) were Hermann Goering, Joachim von Ribbentrop, and Julius Streicher. Hjalmar Schacht and Franz von Papen were acquitted. The court did not convict Nazi organizations or the German general staff. In 1961, Israel captured, tried, and later executed Adolf Eichmann.

    A trial of 28 alleged Japanese war criminals was conducted (1946–47) by an 11-nation tribunal in Tokyo. Evidence similar to that presented against the Nazis brought death sentences to Hideki Tojo and others. The U.S. Supreme Court refused an appeal that was based on the ground that the international court was unlawful. There were many trials in national civil and military courts, including those of the Japanese generals Tomoyuki Yamashita and Masaharu Homma.

    Critics have questioned the legal basis of some of the charges at the post–World War II trials. Individuals were found guilty of acts considered legal, or even required, by their nation at the time; such findings represent a violation of the concept of sovereignty. The plotting or carrying out of aggressive war had not been previously and explicitly called criminal, and the judges tended to define it very narrowly. A defendant was generally found guilty only if he had been involved in developing the policy, but not if he had simply carried it out.

    Critics have also termed the trials an act of vengeance by the victors and questioned their practical use as a precedent. Personal liability for national action is very difficult to prove conclusively, and a nation will be reluctant to try its own leaders. Therefore, effective prosecution may be possible only if a nation is defeated (and then perhaps only if the documents are captured, as they were after World War II).

    Both critics and supporters of the U.S. role in the Vietnam War have justified their positions on the basis of the post–World War II trials. Several Americans were tried for war crimes in this war, and Lt. William Calley was found guilty (see My Lai incident) of particularly disturbing acts against civilians that for many became emblematic of the horrors of the Vietnam conflict. In the 1990s, in reaction to war atrocities committed by various parties during the breakup of Yugoslavia, the United Nations established a tribunal in The Hague, the Netherlands, and attempted to gather evidence for prosecutions; Serbs, Croats, and Muslims have been charged, including top civilian and military Bosnian Serb and Bosnian Croat leaders. The highest ranking official to be tried was former Yugoslavian president Slobodan Milošević, whose trial began in 2002 and was still underway when he died in 2006. In 2000 the Hague tribunal officially established rape, which was rampant during the Yugoslav civil strife, as a war crime. A UN tribunal was also set up in Tanzania to try those responsible for Hutu massacres of Tutsis in Rwanda in 1994 and in Sierra Leone to try persons accused of atrocities in that country's civil war (1991–2001).

    Despite increasing international recognition of the need to prosecute war crimes, such offenses are still often unpunished. Although there have been many calls for prosecution of former Khmer Rouge leaders for war crimes, they have not yet been tried by Cambodia or internationally (due mainly to the length of time it took the Cambodian government to reach an agreement on trials with the United Nations; a mised Cambodian-international court was finally sworn in 2006). In Indonesia the national courts have tried a number of Indonesian officials and officers for war crimes in East Timor during 1999, but the proceedings ended mainly in acquittals or overturned convictions.

    In 1998 the UN General Assembly voted in favor of a treaty authorizing a permanent international court for war crimes. The United States, China, and five other nations opposed the treaty, and 21 nations abstained. The treaty has been signed by more than 130 nations (including the United States), and formally came into effect in July, 2002 after 60 nations had ratified the treaty; the judges of the court were formally sworn in in 2003. Called the International Criminal Court and located at The Hague, it may prosecute war crimes, genocide, crimes of aggression, and crimes against humanity. Under the G. W. Bush administration, the United States opposed implementation of the treaty, out of fear that American officials or military personnel might be arrested abroad on baseless charges. In May, 2002, the United States repudiated its signing of the treaty and indicated that it would refuse to cooperate with the court. The U.S. government subsequently insisted (2002, 2003) that U.S. forces used as UN peacekeepers be exempted from prosecution by the court, and in 2003 it suspended military aid to nations that did not similarly exempt U.S. citizens serving within their borders. In 2004, following the Iraq prisoner abuse scandal, the United States was unable to secure a further exemption from the United Nations.

    Bibliography

    See S. Glueck, War Criminals (1944); R. H. Jackson, The Case against the Nazi War Criminals (1946); J. J. Heydecker and J. Leeb, The Nuremberg Trial (tr. 1962); T. Taylor, Nuremberg and Vietnam (1970); N. E. Tutorow and K. Winnovich, ed., War Crimes, War Criminals, and War Crime Trials (1986); A. Neier, War Crimes (1998).


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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxes View Post
    If GWB goes through the process of Nuremberg trial for inciting war, he would be hanged.
    BS that is so way out of line
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    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    BS that is so way out of line
    He's Iranian. Them and George Bush aren't getting along very well at this particular moment.
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    Maybe we should start calling A-Jad a war criminal with the cercumstantial evidence pinned on his puppet masters..err government in current Iraq affairs?
    I'm sure he'd be hanged as well......
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    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    BS that is so way out of line
    I am sure Goring felt the sameway in 1946 incase of Czechsolvakia. You see, Mr Tigger, here lies the problem. The comment that you made could be due to two reasons:

    1) you as a humble citizen of the Western hemisphere think that GWB can do no wrong, therefore you do not want hear anything about the question of US invasion. Your mind is set.

    2) you think that legally there is no groundwork for such statement that I made.

    If your case is #2, then I will ask you whether Hitler should have been prosecuted for the invasion of Poland 1939 or Brezhnev et al. should have been prosecuted for the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.
    Last edited by xerxes; 04 Mar 07, at 20:00.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilingassassin View Post
    Maybe we should start calling A-Jad a war criminal with the cercumstantial evidence pinned on his puppet masters..err government in current Iraq affairs?
    I'm sure he'd be hanged as well......
    Actually, it would utterly hilarious to pin A-Jad and his master's as war criminals for what they do in Iraq in terms of interferance, whereas not to pin the Neo-cons + GWB in Washington as war criminals for that clear act of violation.

    Actually, it would not be hilarious .... it would be very American (government-wise of course).

    The thing you dont realise is that, I was being kind when I just named GWB. If you are going prosecute Iranian leaders for their role and influence in Iraq, then you wouldnt mind going after every single US president for their role in various asymmetric warfare in various period of cold war, up and including the Mujaheddin, which was a terrorist insurrgent group fighting the legitimate government of Dr. Najilbullah. And please, do not justify it by saying that was okay then because it was "cold war". Unfortunatly the "it was cold war" syndrome runs deep with people on this forum. As you know back then US was fighting a war for survival against the Soviets, right now the Iranians are fighting similiar conflict with the Americans. The difference is that the Americans and the Soviets were equall superpowers, whereas Iran is hardly a regional power compare to its US enemy. Therefore, you and all your American buddies in this forum, see your wars and conflict from a tower overlooking other's nation fight for survival. Thus justifying any action that you yourself took by "it was cold war", whereas demonizing other people's action who are actually in worse situation, relatively speaking. I believe mr Pari didnt want to think of that as America's hypocracy, but I do.
    Last edited by xerxes; 04 Mar 07, at 20:05.
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    If your case is #2, then I will ask you whether Hitler should have been prosecuted for the invasion of Poland 1939 or Brezhnev et al. for the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.
    Just to be fair, one should include the Pakistani sponsored Mujaheedins of all hues and nationalities!
    Last edited by Ray; 04 Mar 07, at 15:07.


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    Bush, Blair for 'War Crimes'
    Not bad idea but absolutely unreal.

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