Cameron blast at crude bullying on 'British values'

**Economist** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:28

Originally Posted by glyn

to the host country that not only let them in but supports them financially.

Yet another ignorant statement.

Just in case if u did not know, most immigrants have a stamp on the passport that restricts them from gaining any benefits for their initial stay of two years.

Further

Bringing your family to the UK
It is possible to bring your husband or wife (spouse), civil partner and any children under 18 years of age to the UK, as long as you can financially support and accommodate them. It is advisable for your family to apply for entry clearance, even if it is not compulsory

The ECO will need to see evidence of your financial support and accommodation arrangements, your marriage certificate and a birth certificate for each child. They may ask for more documents

Education UK - Innovative. Individual. Inspirational.

I was just googling this.

I could bring in much more indepth material to rebutt that statement of yours but then I know you are no different from all those who harbour such misconceptions.

I don't intend to make this personal and hence I am refraining from making any more scathing statements.

GLYN for all you stand you don't think twice before posting anything nor do u research into such stuff.

There is a big diff in IMMIGRANTS (Who need to prove their financial independence before they immigrate) and ASYLUM SEEKERS (who are usually supported by their host countries.)

Talk about being to the point. Hell you are completely off the chart.

**T_igger_cs_30** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:28

Originally Posted by Economist

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You are indeed unable to comprehend what I have written but then that is so typical.

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See my reply to Ray...........I think sir tis true, you chaps are always the first to get "touchy" and throw down the gauntlet, so to speak.
I for one would rather debate your own views and others on this forum than continually dissect endless douments you so love to post

**Economist** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:29

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

See my reply to Ray...........I think sir tis true, you chaps are always the first to get "touchy" and throw down the gauntlet, so to speak.
I for one would rather debate your own views and others on this forum than continually dissect endless douments you so love to post

I find it easier to rebutt your ignorance with facts rather then make sweeping statements like GLYN. See my post above.

**Ray** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:35

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

So the generosity of the British Government/people is exploited by some immigrants, yet the government is wrong!!!!!....... So why should anyone , good honest immigrants included, be upset if they the greedy ones are sent (repatriated) home

The government is the last word, so to say, to ensure good governance.

Therefore, it is the responsibility of the government to ensure that the country does not allow undesirable from entering its shores and if they do, irrespective of the clamour, the undesirable are thrown out. This is not only true for Britian, but is also true for all other countries, including India, which is facing a spate of illegal immigrants who have blended into the Indian society and are posing many a problem.

It is not that the immigrant alone benefit from the country of immigration. The country too benefits since it fills up the voids in its industry, businesses, expertise etc and quite a few immigrant contribute adequately to their host country/ country of domicile.

I cannot say for sure about Britain, but illegal immigrants come cheap and unscrupulous people employ them to feed their greed to make a quick buck!

**T_igger_cs_30** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:36

Originally Posted by Economist

I find it easier to rebutt your ignorance with facts rather then make sweeping statements like GLYN. See my post above.

My ignorance you say, well as I am in awe of your intelligence and worldy knowledge on all subjects, I guess i am on a thrashing to nothing then, however, how about this........what just does attract immigrants to the UK? is it as you said yourself an"easy meal" ticket due to the fact that economicly life in there own country was intolerable and impossible, or did they give up the luxuries they had to suffer the indignation of the British people?..........India included

**Ray** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:38

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Ray in reply to your post, I do apologise my computer skills sadly do lack and I am striving to improve them.
Your post highlighted two things to me, your desire to improve British politics, in your own image, and also you continue to "meander" through certain topics, avoiding committing to the points made of others regarding your post.

Meander, for instance?

It is not that I want to improve British politics, it is as to what could be the way you could suggest to solve the issue since what you are facing with immigrants and illegal immigrants, we, too, are facing the same.

Maybe, your suggestions could be of use.

**Ray** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:46

Frankly, I rather have views supported with facts and links than mere gut feelings.

After all, as I said before, I am here to learn and facts are what will hold me in good stead than someone's gut feeling.

Some come to forums to chit chat and some come to learn!

**Economist** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:58

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

My ignorance you say, well as I am in awe of your intelligence and worldy knowledge on all subjects, I guess i am on a thrashing to nothing then, however, how about this........what just does attract immigrants to the UK? is it as you said yourself an"easy meal" ticket due to the fact that economicly life in there own country was intolerable and impossible, or did they give up the luxuries they had to suffer the indignation of the British people?..........India included

What attracts Immigrants??

Better economic prospects.

It is not about intolerable but about opportuinities.

Historically Third World Countries have always had huge populations (India included) and it is under these circumstances that opportuinities are usually not enough and people tend to migrate.

Is this too difficult to understand?

I guess it is.

**Economist** · 28 Jan 07,, 16:58

Originally Posted by Ray

Frankly, I rather have views supported with facts and links than mere gut feelings.

After all, as I said before, I am here to learn and facts are what will hold me in good stead than someone's gut feeling.

Some come to forums to chit chat and some come to learn!

And some come to further their ignorance.

**T_igger_cs_30** · 28 Jan 07,, 17:08

Originally Posted by Ray

Frankly, I rather have views supported with facts and links than mere gut feelings.

After all, as I said before, I am here to learn and facts are what will hold me in good stead than someone's gut feeling.

Some come to forums to chit chat and some come to learn!

And some come to air past grievences, no matter how they try to hide and deny it,........................ that being said, is it wrong for me Ray to want to discuss with you say, and learn from you and other's, I can read any document I like in the world from any country as long as there is a link.Why waste time searching for a document to post in reply, I am trying to "learn" also as I always have, do I get things right all the time no I do not. But what I try to do is combine reading with the knowledge, feelings and experiences of others on this forum those I cannot get from a website or in documented form, for that I have to correspond.....without I might add being insulting.

**T_igger_cs_30** · 28 Jan 07,, 17:09

Originally Posted by Economist

And some come to further their ignorance.

**T_igger_cs_30** · 28 Jan 07,, 17:11

Originally Posted by Economist

What attracts Immigrants??

Better economic prospects.

It is not about intolerable but about opportuinities.

Historically Third World Countries have always had huge populations (India included) and it is under these circumstances that opportuinities are usually not enough and people tend to migrate.

Is this too difficult to understand?

I guess it is.

Not at all but as in a second marriage, one should leave there "baggage" behind

**Economist** · 28 Jan 07,, 17:16

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Not at all but as in a second marriage, one should leave there "baggage" behind

If you think through, put yourself in the shoes of immigrants perhaps u will understand there need 2 migrate.

Its not as bad as you think it is.

I heard this in a movie

"God should give u everything, except for misconception"

**glyn** · 28 Jan 07,, 17:17

Originally Posted by Economist

HO HO

Coming from someone who boasts every second about his army credentials.

At least I have credentials, whereas you give every appearance of being a moaning ingrate who wouldn't soil his hands to enlist in the services of the country he fled to.

**glyn** · 28 Jan 07,, 17:20

Originally Posted by Economist

If this is not your ignorance then I don't know what it is.

You can't tell anyone what to wear. Besides what one wears will not affect the way they go about doing their business.

Now if you intended to refer to the whole "Veil" issue then that might be an exception.

However with your view SIKHS will not be able to wear their turbans because for you that would be "THIRD WORLD"

Now this is an ignorant statement. But then for u it is not.

What a pathetic little person you must be! You howl about everything, as you find fault with everything. Are you sure that you came to the right country?