Thread: 'Big Brother' Racism Row Sours UK-India Relations

Originally Posted by Archer

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1994723,00.html]Guardian Unlimited | Comment is free | British society is dripping in racism, but no one is prepared to admit it

Ron Atkinson described Marcel Desailly as a "****ing lazy, thick ******" on air and then had the temerity to claim that he was not a racist. Jade Goody called Shilpa Shetty "Shilpa ****awallah" and "Shilpa Poppadom", and then similarly claimed that she is not a racist.

It is this sort of overinterpretation that is the problem. Ron Atkinson wanted to call Desailly "lazy" in strong and offensive terms, hence therewas the prerequisite f@cking, but it was not enough, so he needed any offensive word that would be particular to him. Desailly happened to be black, so the word "n!gger" was selected, had he been vaguely Asian it would have been "pa-ki", if he had been white he would have searched for another descriptive term. It was in no way commentary on Desailly's race nor was he picking on him because of his race.

Originally Posted by bandwagon

That’s nationalism, tribalism which operates on very short term genealogy, where self identity and immediate ancestors and geography play a much greater part than biological or physical character.

I think ethnicity is a construct that operates on many levels, but is determined by long term genealogy with distinctions in physical characteristics and cultural heritage rather than self identity. As part of ID there are only a few broad divisions with distinctive differences in physical characteristics. Otherwise it seems to be a social identity used to distinguish individuals or groups living in close proximity. I could be wrong.

1 [Now Rare] of nations or groups neither Christian nor Jewish; heathen

2 designating or of a population subgroup having a common cultural heritage, as distinguished by customs, characteristics, language, common history, etc. Also ethenical
n.
a member of an ethnic group, esp. a member of a minority or nationality group that is part of a larger community

Does this help?

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

I find it truly amazing how a media run,rating's driven show can generate so much debate....for me the whole thing was orchestrated from the start...and the word "jealousy" comes to mind

And pray who is jealous?

Talking of the participants of the show or the WAB members?

Originally Posted by Ray

Racism"

1.a doctrine or teaching, without scientific support, that claims to find racial differences in character, intelligence, etc. that asserts the superiority of one race over another or others, and that seeks to maintain the supposed purity of a race or the races

2 any program or practice of racial discrimination, segregation, etc. based on such beliefs

Pakistanis and Bangladeshi do not subscribe to the view that they are from the same stock as Indians, even though that is not true. One does not have to go to far. A visit to the thread in WAB would be adequate! Therefore, what protest are you expecting from them?

Also, since they claim affinity to the Arab stock and are very keen to even disown their history (Google and you will find sites stating that their history is in no way connected to the Indian history),it is a laugh to expect them to rise to protest. However, we Indians felt outraged at the Hair incident, even though it concerned Pakistan and Pakistanis alone. Maybe we are different!

Read that post in this thread posted by a Britisher wondering why the Indian shopkeeper cannot stand the Pakistani one and vice versa?

You can't have it both ways. Us British feel different to French and Germans etc. Why not award us the same protection under race laws as what you get.

Desailly happened to be black, so the word "n!gger" was selected, had he been vaguely Asian it would have been "pa-ki", if he had been white he would have searched for another descriptive term. It was in no way commentary on Desailly's race nor was he picking on him because of his race.

Very lame!

Originally Posted by Ray

And pray who is jealous?

Talking of the participants of the show or the WAB members?

Now I did not think I would have to answer that one !!!!!!!! .........Participants of the show..

Bandwagon,

Yes, if you call the French and the Germans, Frogs and Krauts . It is offensive.

If you come to India and you are subjected to such nonsense, I shall require no law to sort out that Indian who may racially abuse you!

Try saying "kraut" or "frogs" in their country and then come back.

In Germany, they have laws to protect Jews. Try using a slur out there on a Jew and you will be locked up and the key thrown away!

Originally Posted by Ray

Racism is all about discrimination. Positive stuff is not discrimination.

Affirmative action is also racism

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Now I did not think I would have to answer that one !!!!!!!! .........Participants of the show..

Well, here we have to be clear on WAB

Or else Pop goes the Weasel!

Now, who did you mean?

Originally Posted by bandwagon

Affirmative action is also racism

I agree.

So vote out the govt and bring in new laws.

Ready?

If not, why not?

The reason is catching up with the sins/ omissions of the past!

The actions prompted by a guilty conscience!

Originally Posted by Ray

Well, here we have to be clear on WAB

Or else Pop goes the Weasel!

Now, who did you mean?

I answered it

Originally Posted by Ray

I agree.

So vote out the govt and bring in new laws.

Ready?

If not, why not?

The reason is catching up with the sins/ omissions of the past!

The actions prompted by a guilty conscience!

Correct

I answered it

Say it in clear terms, old boy.

But then you shall continue to obsfuscate,

In case you are meaning WAB members (ignore this if you aren't) then pray tell us what are we jealous about?

The ball is in your court!

Originally Posted by Ray

Say it in clear terms, old boy.

But then you shall continue to obsfuscate,

In case you are meaning WAB members (ignore this if you aren't) then pray tell us what are we jealous about?

The ball is in your court!

Did you mean "obfuscate"?......if so I shall try to enlighten,make less obscure and bewildering.


participants of the show.........for the following reasons

1... her looks
2... her personal wealth
3... her lifestyle because of reasons 1 & 2

Now I suppose to some this makes me a chauvinistic capitalist....so be it ....back to the girls of the IDF thead........