Thread: Is China financing the United Liberation Front of Asom?

Where on earth are you getting "South Tibet" from???

He is probably referring Arunachal Pradesh as South Tibet.

And the Chinese are in North Arunachal?

Originally Posted by Ray

And the Chinese are in North Arunachal?

As per their saying, all Arunachalese are their brothers & sisters.

Originally Posted by Tronic

Where on earth are you getting "South Tibet" from???

That's the Chinese name for Arunachal Pradesh. The name itself tells you why the Chinese are interested in the territory. They see it the part of Tibet wrested away by the British Raj. Incidentally, the Chinese name for Tibet isn't Tibet - it's Xizang. The traditional Chinese name for Tibet, prior to Chinese claims on its territory, was Tufan. (Similarly, the Chinese name for its Uighur province isn't East Turkistan - it's Xinjiang).

Originally Posted by Ray

And the Chinese are in North Arunachal?

Actually, the Chinese are in North Tibet. If Tibetans had anything to say about it, neither North nor South Tibet would be in foreign hands. But that's the reality of geopolitics - the strong do what they will, and the weak suffer what they must. Both North and South Tibet are being swamped by foreign settlers. What the Chinese are doing to North Tibet is well-known. What the Indians are doing to South Tibet is less publicized, but probably no less disagreeable to the Tibetan people. It's like the partition of Poland into Nazi and Soviet zones after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact - the Poles were hard-pressed to decide whom they hated more - the Nazis or the Soviets. Here's a little something from Wikipedia on Indian settlers:

65% of the Arunachalis belong to 20 major-collective tribes and 82 tribes, who had a heritage of a diverse and rich culture, language and beliefs. Most of them are either of Tibetan or of Thai-Burmese origin. Another 35% of the population are immigrants, including 30,000 Bangladeshi, Bodo Hajong and Chakma expartriates, and immigrants from other parts of India, notably Assam and Nagaland. The most notable tribes include the Adi, Nishi, Monpa and Apatani.

That huge chunk in Chinese hands is North Tibet and a tiny little state in India becomes South Tibet??? Wtf??? and I'm also wondering that if Arunachal is Tibet, then why doesn't the Dalai Lama choose to stay there instead of Dharamshala; since he is already staying in India anyways....

Originally Posted by Zhang Fei

The subject is topical, as there's been another flare-up of sectarian violence in, and the ULFA's bases are said to be in Arunachal Pradesh/South Tibet. What's your take?

That is hogwash, China knows it very well, that if its plays with the ULFA we have a ready made counter in the form of the Tibetan issue. It is this very reason that made the Chinese pull away support from the Naga NCN (Nationalist Council of Nagaland) in the late 60s/early 70s.

The ULFA is supported by the ISI and Bangladeshi DGFI (Directorate General of Forces Intelligence) and the Bangla based Jamat-ul-Muhajideen. The political support for is dates back to the time from Zia ul Rehman and now his wife Begum Khaleda Zia. The BNP supports an anti-India stance, and has been supporting north-eastern insurgent groups, especially the ULFA.

The BNP, Bangla Forces and its people are intelligent enough to know that India's patience should not be taken as a sign of weakness.

Originally Posted by Zhang Fei

Both North and South Tibet are being swamped by foreign settlers. What the Chinese are doing to North Tibet is well-known. What the Indians are doing to South Tibet is less publicized, but probably no less disagreeable to the Tibetan people.

That is a very flawed understanding of equating Chinese atrocities with assumed Indian "atrocities" in Arunachal. There is no parallel.

Originally Posted by Zhang Fei

Actually, the Chinese are in North Tibet. If Tibetans had anything to say about it, neither North nor South Tibet would be in foreign hands. But that's the reality of geopolitics - the strong do what they will, and the weak suffer what they must. Both North and South Tibet are being swamped by foreign settlers. What the Chinese are doing to North Tibet is well-known. What the Indians are doing to South Tibet is less publicized, but probably no less disagreeable to the Tibetan people. It's like the partition of Poland into Nazi and Soviet zones after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact - the Poles were hard-pressed to decide whom they hated more - the Nazis or the Soviets. Here's a little something from Wikipedia on Indian settlers:

You are talking nonsense. Non Arunachali's cant waltz into Arunachal and buy land, so what talk of permanent settlement. That restriction applies to all North eastern states, and was a considered decision by the GOI to avoid local resentment. Legal settlement from other parts of India's has way too many restrictions.

Nor has India ever practised forced resettlement or created forced enclaves in other states.

The only migration that occurs is temporary- "follow the money", as it were, where migrants from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh act as labourers all over India, and that too low paying jobs. These folks live beside the roads, in small tents/ hovels as they work on the roads, infrastructure, and next year they would be in Kashmir, the year after that back in Bihar- its a hard life, but they cant settle in one place, their lifestyle and limited economic means dont permit it.

The other settlers you mention- "Assam" and Nagas, you do realize that the Ahom had annexed Arunachal, and this migration has taken place over hundreds of years, and that culturally, the whole North east has significant commonalities.

As regards Bangla immigrants- they are mostly Muslim, and dont fit in with the Buddhist-Hindu culture in most NE states, but again that is not an Indian policy to force them on the NE states. Bangla immigrants are illegal, and are as much an issue in Delhi as in Bengal and as in the North east.

if it is true chinese are financing ULFA to do anti indian atrocities ,its high time india despached a nuclear experts group to japan and specifically to taiwan to inform these countries that india is openly willing to provide them with nuclear tech ( though both these countries have cpacbilites to go nuclear ) .....that will
serve as the final ultimatum to chinese

dont brag abt what uncle sam will think 0r act --its is indians dying ,so the best defence is to go offensive .....

Forget it. Japan and Taiwan will not be allowed to have nukes no matter what India wants. That's an American decision, not India's and India got no say in the matter.

I dont think that the Chinese would do support ULFA. They would rather do it through pakistan and Bangladesh states. After the major offensive in Bhutan against the ULFA happened, there was a military agreement between bangladesh and China

If that is so then its just a continuation of the concept of Shi.