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    Half of Pakistanis not keen on democracy

    * Six out of 10 people favour army rule
    * More support for democracy in South Asia than in East Asia and Latin America

    ISLAMABAD: People in South Asia overwhelmingly support democracy, except in Pakistan, where about half the respondents in a survey said that democratic or non-democratic forms of government made no difference to them.

    Sri Lanka emerged as the country where democracy was most popular, while India was third after Bangladesh in terms of the percentage of people expressing support for the democratic system in the study, ‘State of Democracy in South Asia’.

    “The people not only approve of democratic arrangements, they find it suitable for their own contexts. Seven out of eight responses in the region, higher than in East Asia, held that democracy was ‘suitable’ or ‘very suitable’ for their own country,” the report said.

    The study found that the citizens of South Asia do not simply like democracy; they prefer it over authoritarian rule. “With the exception of Pakistan, about two-thirds of those who responded preferred democracy over any other form of government,” the report said.

    For every one response that endorses dictatorship, there are six that prefer democracy, which compares favourably with the ratio obtained in East Asia, Latin America and post-Soviet era countries of Europe.

    However, about a quarter in other countries and half the respondents in Pakistan said democratic or non-democratic forms of government made no difference to them.

    Also, there is majority support for army rule in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the two countries in the region with a record of army rule. “The idea that the country should be governed by the army was endorsed by six out of every 10 responses in Pakistan and Bangladesh,” said the report prepared by the CSDS in collaboration with the International Institute of Democracy and Electoral Assistance, Stockholm and Department of Sociology, Oxford University.

    The least support for army rule is in India, the report said, adding the higher the education, the lower the support for the army.

    The survey was conducted in five South Asian countries – Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

    “The world since 9/11 has seen the rise of another hypothesis of ‘disconnect’ between Islam and democracy. South Asia is home to over a quarter of the global Muslim population. Muslims are either the majority or a significant minority in all the five countries of this region,” the report said. “Thus, if the citizens in this region support democracy, this would have implications beyond South Asia,” it added. sana

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    Pakistan and by history Bangladesh has never experienced democracy. Musharraf's book itself is clear about this. On Pages 156 to 163 in the Chapter ''The Quest for Democracy" of his book, 'In the Line of Fire', he reveals the following:

    1. It took 9 years to finally produce a Constitution in 1956.
    2. Even that Constitution violated the one man, one vote basic tenet. This was avoided to prevent the Bengalis, whose population was much more than West Pakistan, to take over Pakistan.
    3. This device was called 'parity principle' wherein it gave the same number of seat to West Pakistan as it did to East Pakistan even though the population of East Pakistan was more.
    4. As per the book, "To justify the pairty principle, the four provinces of the western wing, comprising of Punjab, Sindh, NWFP, and Balochistan, were cobbled together into a single unit to be called the provision of West Pakistan.
    Naturally, the people of the three smaller provinces of West Pakistan felt highly aggreived by this unpopular decision, for they believed that it would not only emasculate their culture, but also deprive them of their fair share of resources
    (this is what is happening even now since Punjab takes the cake of all resources!)........the Bengali people there, overall felt that they had been duped because their votes wsere watered down".
    5. National elections under the new Constitution were to be held in early 1959, but Iskandar Mirza, the President in connivance with General Ayub Khan aborogated the Constitution on 8 Oct 1958 and declared martial law.
    6. Within 21 days on 28 Oct 1958 General Ayub Khan sent the President (Mirza) packing to London and Ayub became the President.
    7. Ayub lifted martial law in 1962 and introduced another (second) Constitution, based on the parity principle and other undemocratic element of the first
    7. Owing to popular unrest, Ayub had to resign in March 1969.
    8. Ayub handed over power to General Yahyah Khan, the Army Chief instead of the Speaker of the National Assembly.
    9. General Yahyah Khan held elections in December 1970 and even though the parity principle still applied, the East Pakistanis won hand down and won the majority of seats.
    10. East Pakistani leader was prevented from taking over as Prime Minister and instead was arrested.
    11. The Liberation of Bangladesh followed and Pakistan was left with only West Pakistan!

    That is democracy in Pakistan for you, in the words of President General Parvez Musharraf and the facts he quotes are unenviable history of Pakistan!

    Therefore, democracy is an alien mechanism of governance in the history of Pakistan!

    Bangladesh is no better!

    And anyway, Islam being autocratic in nature, where even the personal hygiene is laid down in the holy scriptures, the Moslems are more at ease with authoritarian leaders and dictators since their psyche is one that is prone to obey dictates!

    Therefore, though the study is revealing, it is not surprising!


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    The least support for army rule is in India, the report said, adding the higher the education, the lower the support for the army.
    Hmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarquezRazor View Post
    Hmm....
    Simple explanation for that, POWER CORRUPTS.
    I had rather have a scoundrel who I can get rid of in the next election than some one who could be removed only by either his subordinate or by Divine Intervention....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 667medic View Post
    Simple explanation for that, POWER CORRUPTS.
    I had rather have a scoundrel who I can get rid of in the next election than some one who could be removed only by either his subordinate or by Divine Intervention....
    Actually there are many factors..education gives better powers of judgement.

    btw..the divine intervention could also come from the subordinate..

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    India has its share of illiterates too!

    But it is not happening in India?

    Why?


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    And anyway, Islam being autocratic in nature, where even the personal hygiene is laid down in the holy scriptures, the Moslems are more at ease with authoritarian leaders and dictators since their psyche is one that is prone to obey dictates!
    You mind explaining the Constitutional revolution of Iran?
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    majority support for army rule in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the two countries in the region with a record of army rule. “The idea that the country should be governed by the army was endorsed by six out of every 10 responses in Pakistan and Bangladesh,”
    Bangladesh is a surprise inclusion. Didn't they generally dislike juntas there?

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    For every one response that endorses dictatorship, there are six that prefer democracy, which compares favourably with the ratio obtained in East Asia, Latin America and post-Soviet era countries of Europe.
    I wonder who are those people who favour dictatorship. democracy is surely the best choice. you will start loving democracy if you were to live under dictatorship
    anyone who says " easy as stealing a candy from a child " , has never tried it. !

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgamesh View Post
    Bangladesh is a surprise inclusion. Didn't they generally dislike juntas there?
    Nothing surprising.

    If one observe Islamic countries, it will be noticed that they perform only when they are goaded into action with an iron fist or underfoot a military boot. Take the example of Pakistan. It has done well under Ayub and now showing progress under Musharraf. Under the short stint of democracy, Pakistan was like a drunken sailor.

    It is all in the religious teachings. The Islamic religion brooks no deviates. It has harsh punishment for misdemeanours. Even the so called Islamic democracies like Egypt has performed under harsh rulers. Colonel Nasser was the shining light of Egypt. Mubarrak has changed the constitution and under the garb of democracy has also ensured his rule into perpetuity and the folks are basking under his iron whip. Likewise, Pakistan has indicated that they require an iron hand to remain on the straight and narrow!

    Can Bangladesh be any different?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Nothing surprising.

    If one observe Islamic countries, it will be noticed that they perform only when they are goaded into action with an iron fist or underfoot a military boot. Take the example of Pakistan. It has done well under Ayub and now showing progress under Musharraf. Under the short stint of democracy, Pakistan was like a drunken sailor.

    It is all in the religious teachings. The Islamic religion brooks no deviates. It has harsh punishment for misdemeanours. Even the so called Islamic democracies like Egypt has performed under harsh rulers. Colonel Nasser was the shining light of Egypt. Mubarrak has changed the constitution and under the garb of democracy has also ensured his rule into perpetuity and the folks are basking under his iron whip. Likewise, Pakistan has indicated that they require an iron hand to remain on the straight and narrow!

    Can Bangladesh be any different?
    For argument's sake, Sir:

    To be fair to Pak democracy they never had time to build checks and balances crucial for a functioning democracy and this was probably due to 'vicious cycle' of military coups. Even when they were the so called "democracy", they were always in PA's gunsight.

    But your general observation is true, and pretty much puts that assumption/argument to rest. There is no real example of an Islamic nation with a thriving democracy. One form of dictatorship (military) substitues the other (theocratic). Often, both interwined.
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    We aren't against the concept of democracy but just the way it has been done in Pakistan before. We need a system that works, the Army system failed once under zia but worked with Ayub and Musharraf.

    Musharraf's rule is democracy-like. Its the most free, the most modern and the most progressive ever. Whatever it is not is because of the old "democratic" forces which want Pakistan to revert to its old pre-Musharraf style.

    With Musharraf we got a clean break, and are basically starting from square one (which is much better than what we were at). He is smart, he is moderate, doesn't think theocratically, keeps Pakistan's interests first, his decisions have the bigger picture in mind.

    His army status actually hurts us. If somehow we can be assured that the political forces won't play a game and knock him down once he quits the army then him as a political leader won't be so bad either.

    In Pak when people diss democracy, they are basically dissing the previous failed democratic rulers, BB and NS. People think THAT is what democracy is, which was basically true dictatorship parrallel or worse than Zia's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim Aquil View Post
    In Pak when people diss democracy, they are basically dissing the previous failed democratic rulers, BB and NS. People think THAT is what democracy is, which was basically true dictatorship parrallel or worse than Zia's.
    Zia was the cause, BB and NS were the after-effects.

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    What caused Zia?

    The product of the American-Soviet Civil War. Zia's laws, took a Musharraf to be removed. BB and NS could but didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim Aquil View Post
    What caused Zia?

    The product of the American-Soviet Civil War. Zia's laws, took a Musharraf to be removed. BB and NS could but didn't.
    The desire to hang on to power at all cost.

    Please read Musharraf's book. It is very revealing!

    It is true that BB and NS made hay after the rotten time of being underfoot Zia's military boot! The Pakistani civilian population tolerated them as a breath of fresh air after being choked by Zia's evil empire!

    BB and NS misused thereafter the goodwill of the Pakistani population, though Musharraf's justification for the coup was for his own personal safety and it had nothing to do with the state Pakistan was in!


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    Could you site for us some tangible benefits that Pakistan has derived due to Musharraf's military regime ?
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