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    Clothes make the man?

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    Dandy march
    Sunday Sentiments | Karan Thapar
    September 12



    Do manners maketh a man? Do clothes matter? Does the tie around his neck or the kerchief in his pocket say something about him? Or, in the case of Pakistan’s Foreign Minister, Khurshid Kasuri, do his bejewelled cufflinks convey a hint of his personality? They may not be Van Cleef and Arpels but they’re certainly Lahori bijoux! My answer is a definite, if tongue-in-cheek, yes.

    I first met Khurshid Kasuri in Washington early last year. I was staying with his Ambassador, Ashraf Qazi, an old and dear friend, whilst Kasuri was at one of the city’s better hotels. On my first morning Ashraf took me to his Foreign Minister’s for breakfast. As we walked out of his S Street residence and stepped into the ambassadorial limo Ashraf conspiratorially whispered in my ear. “You’re in for a bit of a surprise. I wonder what you’re going to make of Kasuri?”

    “What do you mean?” I replied perplexed. Foreign Ministers, I assumed, were the same the world over.

    “Wait and see”. Ashraf let his smile say the rest.

    As soon as we walked into Khurshid Kasuri’s suite I realised what Ashraf meant. If clothes can proclaim a man they definitely do in this case. My eyes picked up three telling features : the Edwardian lapels on his waistcoat, the matching tie and handkerchief and the cufflinks. Actually, they were hard to miss. And if I’m honest Kasuri knew that as well. There’s no doubt he cut a dash but, I suspect, that was his intention.

    “Well?” Ashraf asked after our four-hour breakfast. “What’s your verdict?”

    As I pondered over my answer looking for the elusive bon mot, he filled the gap. “Do you know what they say in Pakistan? Others wear three piece suits, Kasuri’s are five piece!”

    It didn’t take long to discover that Ashraf’s humour was not intended to mock but praise Kasuri. His striking sartorial style matched his open friendly personality. For if it’s the clothes that first catch your attention it’s the obvious sincerity of the man that soon takes over. It was the same last monday when he walked into the CNBC studio at 10.00 at night to be interviewed.

    He made a grand entry and then proceeded to introduce himself. “The lamb is reporting for sacrifice!”

    Kasuri has a large voice but to call it loud would be a misunderstanding. And, as his introduction revealed, he also has a sense of humour. However, what I had not anticipated was his laugh. As he guffawed over his own joke the taut atmosphere unwound. Soon we were all chuckling.

    On air I asked him about the public display of differences between the two foreign ministers at their press conference earlier that morning. Was it proof that the peace talks were starting to unravel?

    “Only if that’s how you want to see it” he replied. His smile seemed larger than before. “But what about the other view? If we can express our differences, even our disagreements, in a civilised and non-combative way doesn’t it show we’re beginning to understand each other? Isn’t that the first sign of progress?”

    It was a good point but the closest Kasuri came to gloating was a little tug at his double cuffs. It made his jewelled cufflinks a shade more prominent. The sparkle on the diamonds did the rest of the talking.

    Quite frankly, there’s a lot to be said for the dandy politician. Men who dress up like to impress. That usually means they also say and do the right things. In a foreign minister that has to be a virtue. To corroborate my point, consider the opposite : those who don’t care what impression they make also don’t worry about the memory they leave behind.

    I would wager this is equally true of Mr. Natwar-Singh. Whilst no Beau Brummell he has his own distinctive sartorial style. Not just the white Nehru jacket with a natty kerchief but also the casual moccasins usually worn without socks. And oh, how could I forget, the affinity with Forster. It may be a bit of vanity but it’s part of the man’s attractiveness.

    When I saw the two foreign ministers together I realised they share something in common. Though very differently attired, a clear and deliberate effort lay behind their appearance. Not contrived but cultivated. With men like them at the helm a new era has dawned. Gone are the hardships of the Dandi March. This is the age of the dandy parade!

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    I'm a sucker for formal wear too. Recently been collecting Pakistani formal wear as well... In any given occassion, I like to stand out from the rest of the crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visioninthedark
    Quite frankly, there’s a lot to be said for the dandy politician. Men who dress up like to impress. That usually means they also say and do the right things.
    Thats one stupid analogy ! Quite frankly Karan Thapar pawned his brains some where, with that comment!

    Note:This post has nothing to do with Kasuri or his way of dressing! And BTW although I hate it, I had to be in formals everyday of the week. So when time comes(weekend), I'll most prolly be loosely clad (in summer).
    A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay
    Thats one stupid analogy ! Quite frankly Karan Thapar pawned his brains some where, with that comment!

    Note:This post has nothing to do with Kasuri or his way of dressing! And BTW although I hate it, I had to be in formals everyday of the week. So when time comes(weekend), I'll most prolly be loosely clad (in summer).
    The say and do right things is far fetched, but you know at times what you say just never matters. The number one quality of a conversationalist is his confidence. It's the same like macking on a chick. You think what you say really matters while scoring with a chick? It's your confidence that'd matter the most.

    You have to own every conversation. It's one of the reasons, that American businessmen are the best in the world. Even if they sucked in every other profession its their ability to converse that'll always put them way up there.

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    True, confidence does matter, but blind confidence is plain idiocy. Ofcourse it doesnt apply to pick up chicks!
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    Kasuri is well dressed.

    Somehow I found that better than the real baggy pants (pyjamas) and the leadies evening dress like length of the kurta (shirt) that is worn over the baggy and mostly undressed pants. Looks shabby. Add a scruffy beard and no moustache which I believe is mandatory for Moslems, they look rather untidy and unwashed.

    Therefore, Kasuri, call him a dandy, if you wish is a far better sight to the eyes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    Add a scruffy beard and no moustache which I believe is mandatory for Moslems, they look rather untidy and unwashed.
    Not mandatory ... thats another MISPERCEPTION ... its optinal.

    Besides, can you name Pakistani government official who had a scruffy beard ... since 1947 ... till today in Pakistan ...

    PM Jamali was the only one who sported a beard but it could hardly be called scruffy ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    Kasuri is well dressed.

    Somehow I found that better than the real baggy pants (pyjamas) and the leadies evening dress like length of the kurta (shirt) that is worn over the baggy and mostly undressed pants. Looks shabby. Add a scruffy beard and no moustache which I believe is mandatory for Moslems, they look rather untidy and unwashed.

    Therefore, Kasuri, call him a dandy, if you wish is a far better sight to the eyes.
    There is no such obligation. You have many dissing comments for Muslims for someone who doesn't know much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visioninthedark
    Not mandatory ... thats another MISPERCEPTION ... its optinal.

    Besides, can you name Pakistani government official who had a scruffy beard ... since 1947 ... till today in Pakistan ...

    PM Jamali was the only one who sported a beard but it could hardly be called scruffy ...
    Aggreed! And as far a you can throw jamali, and thats not quite far , i kind of liked little fat bhalu. And he was quite educated, pitty he was not a very good orator.

    But having a deep fetish for italian silk my self, i have to say. Kausri has good taste. Espically in contrasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visioninthedark

    PM Jamali was the only one who sported a beard but it could hardly be called scruffy ...
    NO his was a magnificent flowing beard, well pomaded!

    Anyway I like him.

    Anyway, my impressions are from the cricket match India Pakistan and from TV shots on BBC of protestors and some political leaders.

    Cant' saya the same about the female politicians. They were a treat to the eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    NO his was a magnificent flowing beard, well pomaded!
    It was a well trimmed beard ... can hardly be described as either "flowing" or "scruffy" ...




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    That is what I said Magnificent. Well, to me, it was flowing.

    To you who has seen genuine flowing and scruffy beards at close quarters, it is well trimmed.

    I never said scruffy for Jamali, please note.


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    Fetish = Psychiatry any nonsexual object, such as a foot or a glove, that abnormally excites erotic feelings.

    Dictionary meaning that is.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    That is what I said Magnificent. Well, to me, it was flowing.

    To you who has seen genuine flowing and scruffy beards at close quarters, it is well trimmed.

    I never said scruffy for Jamali, please note.
    Hindu Sadhus have flowing beards ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    Fetish = Psychiatry any nonsexual object, such as a foot or a glove, that abnormally excites erotic feelings.

    Dictionary meaning that is.
    ??

    where does this apply in this thread??

    LOL ...

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