Reason for Hijab: Womens hair emits dangerous sex rays

**Samudra** · 01 Oct 04, 05:14

Originally Posted by Nisaar

Wow. I learnt something today that I am never gonna forget.
And to think, my Granparents were hindu and they never even told me things like that.

I have a personal belief. I believe that almost all religions are divine in origion. I really don't think that God revealed himself to only 1 or 2 nations.
I also believe that it is possible that 1 or 2 religions have been 'created' for mankind to make a profit.

"Thiruvananthal Pooja" is conducted daily in the morning about 05 : 00 hrs in this temple, this pooja is followed by "Kaalaisanthi Pooja", "Uchhi Kaala Pooja", "Sayankaala Pooja" and "Arthajaama Pooja" . These poojas are otherwise called as "Ayindhu Kaala Pooja" (Ayindhu - FIVE, Kaala - time). Out of this poojas Sayankaala Pooja is specially mentioned. Abhisekas followed by Deeparaathanai are performed here from 17 :00 hrs daily, during this time spiritual literary works like "Vedaparaayanam", "Devaarapadhigam" are also sung by Saiva priests.

Tell this to your friends

If one religion is true , then all religions are true.

Islam, hinduism ( grand parents told me, i'm not sure), and some scripts from the aztecs talk about life starting from the Oceans.
common ideas=common revealer?

Even in islam you have floods and oceans ? Do reveal more to us mere mortals sir !

yes dude... We have something in manusmriti like all being flooded in bharatha and manu(similar to biblical story ? ) was the one left and he started it all once again.

There are things similar to doomsday in hinduism.Like Shiva the destroyer destroys everything by pralaya(flood,fire ? ).

I have more on the flood and oceans...ill get them tomorrow..I think i forgot when i put the book in.

In case you have access to a library read John Keays "India : A history" , there he has spoken extensively about manu smriti.Western "imperialist" bias is prevlant though

Reforming Islam.

Now i try to advice you to reform islam.But why you alone ?
Dont other religions have a resposblity ?
Arent we equally disturbed by islamic fundamentalism today ?

I mean if a bomb explodes does it hurt the muslims alone , infact it hurts us "infidels" more , shouldnt we be more active than muslims in trying to bring them to the mainstream ?

It just came to my mind.

**Nisaar** · 01 Oct 04, 12:19

Originally Posted by chandragupta

Even in islam you have floods and oceans ? Do reveal more to us mere mortals sir !

There is an entire chapter in the Quraan that is dedicated to Noor (A.s), or as he is known in English : Noah. Remember the whole noah and the ark thing.

Here is one verse from the Quraan about life starting from the waters.
(I think i posted this before)

Page 828 (A.Yusuf Ali transla. I think its' 21:30, not sure)

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the Earth were joined together as one unit of creation before we clove them asunder,
And we raised out of the waters every living thing."

I am told that the hindu scriptures also talk about the big-bang theory. I was wondering if you could post the part where it says this.

**Nisaar** · 01 Oct 04, 12:21

BTW, whats' that in your new avatar?

Looks like some ancient indus valley relic.

**Samudra** · 01 Oct 04, 12:50

Big Bang in hinduism ? Not sure.I am going to dig around to see if i can find any.
You know AUM ? That has some parallel with Big Bang thoery they claim.
I do not know more.But will search around.

Avatar is the image of gold coin issued by Chandra Gupta of the Imperial Gupta Dynasty , the Maharajadhiraja of North India(319-335 A.D).Infact you can see him and the queen the Licchavi Princess Kumaradevi in the coin.Standard pracitse those days to have the king and queen on the coins.

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Signature is from the coin issued by chandraGupta II , the great grand son of Chandra Gupta I. He succeeded RamaGupta , the son of Samudra Gupta.

PS : I always feel indians in general do not take pride in their history.hence the attempt to induce some intrest.

**Nisaar** · 01 Oct 04, 13:20

Originally Posted by chandragupta

Big Bang in hinduism ? Not sure.I am going to dig around to see if i can find any.
You know AUM ? That has some parallel with Big Bang thoery they claim.
I do not know more.But will search around.

Avatar is the image of gold coin issued by Chandra Gupta of the Imperial Gupta Dynasty , the Maharajadhiraja of North India(319-335 A.D).Infact you can see him and the queen the Licchavi Princess Kumaradevi in the coin.Standard pracitse those days to have the king and queen on the coins. .

Signature is from the coin issued by chandraGupta II , the great grand son of Chandra Gupta I. He succeeded RamaGupta , the son of Samudra Gupta.

PS : I always feel indians in general do not take pride in their history.hence the attempt to induce some intrest.

Thanks.

I also feel a little that way. But I love history (not the war history) of ancient civilization.

I think that we are starting to take pride again because of people like you.

Most nations have always had a glorious history.

BTW. Which was the first civilization to use money/

**Samudra** · 01 Oct 04, 13:35

Ah ! I see you are intrested in what is called Social History.

Well as a confession , i know zilch about indian history.Its just that i am intrested in that and am learning.Frankly VisioninDark was responsble for a great increase in my knowledge about kushans.I owe him a thanks.

First Civilisation to use money ? Hmm Hmm Hmm , i guess i dont know.
But internet is always helpfull , i just found that Italy was the first to start Banks , derived from some language word "Banko" (?).

We know of some seals in Harappa , but not sure about whether they were currency or not.

India has been one of the earliest issuers of coins in the world (circa 6th Century BC). Few countries rival India for the sheer diversity of its coinage be it minting techniques, motifs, sizes, shapes, the metals used or for that matter the monetary history arising from the Monetary Standards India has experienced (Tri-metallism, Bi-metallism, the Silver Standard, the Gold Exchange Standard as well as fiat money).

Says the Reserve Bank of India website.

**mostlymad** · 01 Oct 04, 13:45

Originally Posted by chandragupta

Now i try to advice you to reform islam.But why you alone ? Dont other religions have a resposblity ?
Arent we equally disturbed by islamic fundamentalism today ?

I mean if a bomb explodes does it hurt the muslims alone , infact it hurts us "infidels" more , shouldnt we be more active than muslims in trying to bring them to the mainstream ?

Yes!

We need first to understand, so that through our ignorance, we do not cause more harm. Forums like this help a great deal. I hope this thread keeps on and on, so I'll think up many questions!

I'd love to hear about the Big Bang Theory and the connection to Hinduism, as well.

**Samudra** · 01 Oct 04, 13:48

I just found this from a site against Aryan.I.T. ...but very relevant to our line of discussion here...i.e. oceans and religions .

Originally Posted by Rig Veda hymns

In the beginning, there was darkness hidden in darkness,

all this universe was an unillumined sea.

Rigveda X.129.3

The Gods stood together in the sea. Then as dancers

they generated a swirl of dust.

When, like ascetics, the Gods overflowed the world,

then from hidden in the ocean they brought forth the Sun.

Rigveda X.72.6-7

The creative Sun upheld the Earth with lines of force.

He strengthened the Heaven where there was no support.

As a powerful horse he drew out the atmosphere.

He bound fast the ocean in the boundless realm.

Thence came the world and the upper region,

thence Heaven and Earth were extended.

Rigveda X.149. 1-2

Law and truth from the power of meditation were enkindled.

Thence the night was born and then the flooding ocean.

From the flooding ocean the year was born. The Lord of

all that moves ordained the days and nights.

The Creator formed the Sun and Moon according to previous

worlds; Heaven and Earth, the atmosphere and the realm of light.

Rigveda X.190

**Jay** · 01 Oct 04, 16:19

I kinda dont believe in the translations of stuff, they jus take the context out of the original text.

**Samudra** · 04 Oct 04, 05:28

Originally Posted by Jay

I kinda dont believe in the translations of stuff, they jus take the context out of the original text.

very true.

but rest assured what i have posted above , is quite a OK translation..

**Jay** · 04 Oct 04, 06:25

allright, lets give it a thot

**Nisaar** · 05 Oct 04, 15:42

Originally Posted by Jay

I kinda dont believe in the translations of stuff, they jus take the context out of the original text.

Yeah thats' kinda true. Like when I translate something to English and then I read it to myself, It sounds quite different, then I try and make it mean the same thing by adding a few words here and there and it ends up totally changing the meaning of the words in its original context.

The best thing to do is to read the particular religion in the language it was originally written in, but since we cant speak every language in the world, we have to translate for others to understand.

As long as they take into account that translation could change the overall meaning a liittle.

Like I heard that the Americans made an advert for coke for taiwan. They tried to say something like,"drink coke and enjoy for life", but when they translated, it read," Coke will bring your ancestors back to life."

**tarek** · 05 Oct 04, 16:57

Nisaar

"The best thing to do is to read the particular religion in the language it was originally written in"

It seems you think that language stays in some sort of stasis, and we have to challenege this notion - If it is true that language reflects and creates social reality, then we would have problems justifying the notion that knowledge evolves, changes, that societies eveolve and change and that similarly language cannot possibly be in a Stasis, that we engage in a utopian exercise when we imagine that we can hold a language in a stasis (and therefore society in a stasis) and attempt to recreate a social reality that the language in stasis creates -- this is, it seems to me, the same method that the radical islamists proposes in his "selection" of a literal reading of religous texts. It is a dangerous idea because it seeks to recreate a social reality particular to time, space and geography.

**mostlymad** · 05 Oct 04, 17:55

Originally Posted by tarek

this is, it seems to me, the same method that the radical islamists proposes in his "selection" of a literal reading of religous texts. It is a dangerous idea because it seeks to recreate a social reality particular to time, space and geography.

good point, tarek! It's fine if you're studying literature and want to maintain the ideas in context of the times, but not if you are defining current laws, customs.

**visioninthedark** · 05 Oct 04, 17:59

Please allow me to say something in a PURELY personal capacity ....

I as a person .... strongly believe that there is a clear element of divinity about all books and religious scriptures and sages and saints ...

I also believe that with the passage of millenia ..... many of these books may have lost their true meaning and the context of their verses may have been forgotten ....

however ..... I strongly believe that all holy scriptures of all religions and all saints and sages around the whole world were infact trying to point us in the same direction ...

I for one, have never insulted any religion or religious belief due to these strongly held personal views ....

I do critisize acts which I think are objectionable in all religions .... including mine .... I hope a valid critisizm of any act is not taken to mean a slander of a whole religion ..... it certainly is not ...

I therefore respect books such as the RigVeda and personalities such as Lord Raam, etc., although I may not agree with how today's people interpret their acts and revelations ....

Even if a whole book has only one sentence of truth in it .... it DESERVES to be called sacred and respected ...

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