Thread: Reason for Hijab: Womens hair emits dangerous sex rays

Originally Posted by Ray

Nissar,

Thanks.

Very beuatifully explained.

Do keep up more of the explanations. I wish to learn more, if you may.

Just one clarification (and you needn't answer if you don't want to), why did he marry 11 times?

Next, given what you and Asim said about the Sharia keeping with the times, I told some Moslem friends and they disagreed. Any quotations from the relgious text to emphasise this?

Personally speaking, you are doing a great service to Islam bu explaining without pulling punches.

I am grateful.

Sorry for taking a while on this one, I don't have internet access on weekends and I wanted to get some references added instead of just pulling things out of my head, so that you can counter those guys with facts.....



Second question first:

The best thing to do is to show them contradictions between the Quraan and Shariah.
The sharia is accepted as a 'STUDENT INSPIRED' text that scholars CREATED themselves in the first two centuries of islam in order to try and promote the rules and regulations talked about in the QURAAN and SUNNAH. No one (should) claims that the Sharia is 'Divine'. Muslims accept it as something that Scholars put together in an attempt (and a very bad one at that) to explain the basic rules of Islam.

So then it would be fair to assume that if the sharia contains contradictory laws with the Quraan the scholars of early islam in their attempt to explain islam failed and the sharia is therefore not islamic right ?


There are many sharia laws in the sharia that you find NOWHERE in the Quraan. Thus we can assume that these were added by the scholars.

There are many famous ones like :

Where the sharia asks that both men and women be circumcised. Circumcision of women is an Egyptian and Arab practise added into the shaaria and you wont find any passage in the Quraan that asks for this. However (in keeping with abrahamic religions) Islam does ask for the circumcision of men, as Islam accepts John the Baptist as a prophet.(Yahya in the Quraan.)
This could of probably been an attempt by an Arab to preserve his culture that was being overun by Islam in Arabia.(My opinion. My Arab rituals are in the Shaaria that contradict the Quraan.)


This is one huge contradiction between the Quraan and the Shaaria.


Secondly,

Lets look at the punishment for humans if they have to have an affair:


The shaarias punishment for Females if they commit adultery is a “stoning to death” !!!.

And the Quraan says : (on page 183/184 of the A.Yusuf Ali Translation of the Quraan)

“If any of your women are guilty of Lewdness,
Take the Evidence of Four reliabe witnesses/sources from amongst you against them.
And IF THEY TESTIFY , confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them ANOTHER WAY.”
[Holy Quraan = 4:22]

The ANOTHER WAY, is later given on verse 24 ( profit revealed it a while later) as a 100 lashes. The option is given then to women to choose their punishment if they confess and/or are proven guilty.

If they don't testify and you don't have enough evidence, the practise was for them to then swear an oath by god to punish them in the afterlife if they had committed a sin. It is another belief in Islam that what you get punished for on Earth, you don't get punished for in the hereafter. And the punishment in the hereafter is much worse. If we were punished on the Earth for Everything we did, then there would be no need for the day of judgement. So the day of judgement is for people who did something wrong and did not get punished for it on the Earth.
Thus you CANNOT punish a lady on a suspicion. You have to have proof, or leave it for judgement by god on the 'day of judgement' .

It also says a little later, (0.5 a page)

“God accepts the repentence of those who do evil in ignorance, and repent soon afterwards, to them will god turn in mercy for god is oft forgiving most merciful.”

So what then of the stoning to Death. The shaaria is also in disagreement with this verse. What if they commited this sin in ignorance?

So, I think that reading these versus of the Quraan is more than enough to justify the defects of the sharia.
It is believed by muslims that the Quraan is the 'LAST TESTAMENT' from God and it is the final word of God and that there will always be a pure version of it available to mankind, i.e: it will never become corrupt.
There is no belief though that the sharia won't be corrupted. I'll say it again, the Sharia and its construction occured 200 years after the prophets death and in most cases contains ARAB cultural practises and, believe it or not some JEWISH cultural practises. Like the stoning to death is actually a Jewish practice.(Whitch was abolished by Christ.)

There are other defects in it, but I don't think it necessary to show all of them. Show this to those muslim friends of yours.
THE LAST WORD IN MUSLIM LAW IS THE QURAAN. They should be following the Quraan and not anything else. If the Sharia attempted to explain the Quraan and it made a mistake, That mistake should therefore be CORRECTED in order to keep the religion true. So yes, the sharia should be ALTERED.


They may counter you by showing you this verse of the Quraan:

Chapter 45:
17 ...then we gave you Sharia in religion, follow it, and do not follow the lust of those who do not know...

Don't you find it strange that all but one word of this verse is translated to English.
This verse of the Quraan is 'optimistically' translated into English. The word Sharia here can be translated into English as the word 'Laws' , hence :

..then we gave you LAWS in religion, follow it, and do not follow the lust of those who do not know...

It would really be wishful thinking on the muslims part if he now assumes that these laws being talked about in the Quraan will be laws that muslims would only get TWO HUNDRED YEARS ater the prophets death.

So what would these laws be ?
Simple, these laws would be the BLOODY laws that the Quraan talks about. The Quraans laws. So are we to forget about what the Quraan says and follow the Shaaria?


Now for the first Question:

Firstly, if I didn't answer , it would mean that I were hiding something and that I was offended.
I will try to not hide anything, and you can ask me anything, I wont be offended.

My assumption:
Now, it is obvious that if the prophet was after physical pleasure he would not have to wait until he was more than fifty years old to start marrying more wives. He lived in a society in which it was quite acceptable to have many wives firstly, and he started to remarry after khadijas death.


Firstly, a brief background of the times that the prophet lived in :

This was an age that looked upon plural marriages with favor and in a society that in pre-Biblical and post-Biblical days considered polygamy an essential feature of social existence.

David for example had six wives and numerous concubines (2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3)
Solomon was said to have had as many as 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21).

It was therefore natural in the prophets time to have more than one wife, as women were considered (unless given free reign by their husbands) a piece of property that you could by or sell if they were a slave, or something that served men if they were free.

Secondly, there were many tribes in Arabia, and if a family of one tribe married into a family of another tribe, it was considered a peace agreement between the tribes and hostilities between those tribes ended as the tribes were considered as family to each other. Men of the tribes didn't allways allow this.
Refusal of accepting a lady from a tribe after she was given to you as a gift was like the equivalent of declaring war and saying that that tribe is not "Worthy" of associating with your tribe.
It is easy to see now why Aisha was not refused.

Thirdly, If you buy a slave women, the rule among the pagan Arabs was that the lady can only be freed if you marry her or set her free. The prophet declared that no slaves can be created in Islam.
However this caused a new problem. Who is going to take care of all the slave women who are now free? How will they fend for themselves. Most of them would have resorted to prostitution, as it wasn't so easy for a women to fend for herself in savage Arabia.
So the prophet then declared that for all the women slaves, they must be freed. But how you free them is by marrying them.(There is a marriage and consummation of marriage part.) That way the new muslim men of Arabia would not just declare their slaves free and throw them out into the street, but would have to marry them and free them and look after them.

Thus the final rule in Islam.
Try to Buy and Set free all men when they are capable of sound judgement. Until then take care of them.
Try to by and set fre all women slaves, marry them to set them free. (It is not so easy for a women to fend for herself in this savage society.)

Marriage here not being a sign of sexual lust but a sign of showing that you consider them as in the same stature as you. Divorce is allowed in islam. The women can divorce you also, not only the man.(This is another long story. Don't want to make this post a thousand pages.I'll write some on it if you want.)

And thus the prophet killed many birds with one stone.

Forthly, It was considered a respectful gesture or a sign of goodwill if you gave someone a slave girl as a gift. The prophet received these 'gifts' from people who wanted them to come to their lands to teach them this new doctrine.

Fifthly, Any widows who can't support themselves, one should ask for their hand in marriage to take care of them. The prophet used to initially take care of alot of women and many rumours started that he was having affairs with them. Thus the ruling. If you take a women in to take care of them, marry them to quench all the rumours.

A brief overview of the wives of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)


1. Khadijah: She was 40 years old when she proposed to marry the Prophet when he was 25 years old. After 15years of their marriage he became a prophet. She had been married twice before she married Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Her first husband was Aby Haleh Al Tamemy and her second husband was Oteaq Almakzomy. They had both died leaving Khadijah a widower. Khadijah died in 621A.D. This was the same year the Prophet ascended into heaven (Meraj).Considered a high class women. Thus she had more freedoms than other women in Arabia.

2. Sodeah Bint Zamaah Al Amreah: Her first husband was Al Sakran Ibn Omro Ibn Abed Shamz (Took me like an hour to type that out. now you Know why I took so long to respond). He died within a few days after his return from Ethiopia. She was 65 years old, poor, and had no one to care for her. This was why Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married her (My assumption).

3. Aishah: A woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) marry Aishah, the daughter of Abu Bakr, to form a close relationship with Aby Bakr's family. She was already engaged to Jober Ibn Al Moteam Ibn Oday. At this time Jober was not yet a Muslim. The people of Makkah did not object to Aishah becoming married because although she was young, she was mature enough to understand the responsibility of marriage. Prophet Muhammad (bpuh) was engaged to Aishah for 2 years before he married her( 2 parts of marriage in islam, one rule is that you can only marry them after they have menstruated for the first tim e). Aby Bakr was the first leader after Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) death.

4. Hafsah: She was the daughter of Omar, the second Calipha.

5. Zaynab Bint Kozameh: Her husband died in the battle of Uhud, leaving her poor and with several children. She was old when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married her. She died 3 months after she married the Prophet 625 A.D.

6. Hend Bint Omeah Ibn Almogereahk (Omsalameh): Her husband, Abud Allah Abud Al Assad Ibn Al Mogherah, died leaving Hend poor and with many children. Hend was at least 65 years old at the time. Aby Bakr and several others asked her to marry them, but because she loved her husband very much, she refused the marriage's offers. But finally she accepted Prophet mohammad's offer to marry her and take care of her children.

7. Zaynab Bent Jahish: She was the daughter of Prophet Muhammad's aunt, Omameh Bint Abud Almutaleb. The Prophet arranged for Zaynab to marry Zayed Ibn Hareathah Al Kalby. This marriage did not last. She got divorced each .She married the prophet.


8. Juayreah Bint Al Hareath: Her first husband's name was Masafeah Ibn Safuan. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wanted Juayreah's tribe (Beni Al Mostalag)to convert to Islam. Juayreah became a prisoner after the Muslims won the Battle of Al Mostalaq. Juayreah's father came to the Prophet and offered a payment for her return. The Prophet asked her father to give her a choice. When she was given a choice she said she accepted Islam and Prophet Muhammad as the last God's Messenger. The Prophet then married her. Her tribe of Beni Almostalag decided to live with the muslims ( A demonstration that they view their tribes as equal) and eventually accepted islam.

9. Safia Bint Hoyah Ibn Ahtab: She was from the tribe of Beni Nadir, who were from the children of Levi (Israel). She was married twice before, then she married Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Her first husband Salam Ibn Moshkem, and her second husband was Kenanah Ibn Al Rabeeah. Many women wanted to marry a so called High cass person as this would also raise their stature in the area. Thus prophet got many proposals.

10. Ramelah Bint Aby Sofian (Om Habebah): Her first husband was Aubed Allah Jahish. He was the son of the aunt of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Aubed Allah died in Ethiopia. The king of Ethiopia arranged the marriage of Ramelah to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

11. Maria Al-Qubtia: She was a slave girl sent to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a hand maid servant from the king of Egypt. Maria had a son from the Prophet. His name was Ibrahim.

12. Maymonah Bent Al Hareath: She was 26years old when she married Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Her first husband was Abu Rahma Ibn Abed Alzey. When the Prophet opened Makkah in 630 AD , she came to the Prophet, accepted Islam and proposed to marry him. Her actions encouraged Many Makkahans to accept Islam and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).



We believe that the prophet was told what to say to the people by Jiraeel (Gabriel). The prophet made it generally clear when he was talking of his own accord, or talking something that was divinely revealed. Or so we believe.
The Order in which the Quraan was revealed is not the same order in which it was put together.
One of the last rulings in Islam is this :

Men may get married and divorced only 4 times. The prophet said that there will come times where women will outnumber men by a ratio of four to one ( I can't wait ) thus if your current wives allow it , you may marry again as not all women will get married. But no man may ever have more than 4 wives, that is a mans disadvantage.

The womens disadvantage is that she can only have one husband at a time. Unfair, well yes, but let us consider this:
Women may get married again and again an unlimited amount of times, but they must wait a minumum of 3 months before they get married again.

I think this rule now puts women and men on an equla footing. Men have a limit on number but may practise polygamy, women have no limit on number but can only marry one husband at a time.

Unfortunately,Homosexual marriages arent allowed in Islam.

The Quraan recommends monogamy though :

A verse from page 179 (A. YUSUF ALI TRANSLATION)

"Marry women of your choice
two or three or four,
But if you fear that you are unable to deal justly with them,
THEN MARRY ONLY ONE, even if it a captive whom your right hands possess. "
[4:3]

So the recommendation is towards monogamy. Later on in the verse it also says that man is never able to deal justly with women( too lazy to find it, i'll find the location if you want)


I hope this answers your question. If I left something out ( or something is vague) be sure to ask me for my OPINION. I say my opinion because for obvious reasons, I wasn't there at the time of the prophet to justify anything for myself, but this is my take on the facts of this story . Sorry for taking so long.

As a muslim you are suppossed to follow the Quraan and Sunnah.

Remind your muslim Friends of the PROPHETS LAST SERMON : ( I'm using an extract here but I can post the entire thing for you if you want)

He says".... In my right hand I hold the scripts of the Quraan, and in my left hand my conduct/behaviour ( Sunnah) , follow these two things and you will never go astray..."


The Quraan was put into order after the prophets death by a man (forgot his name , I'll get it if you want) who followed orders that the prophet gave him.


The prophets "Conduct" was something that people also attempted to make a book of. Sunnah now becam classed as something the prophet did said spoke about or approved of. But these people left out Sunnahs Like:

The wife can be the breadwinner of the family (khadija)
Women can fight wars with you ( Aisha)
And putting and emphasis on brushing teeth with a miswaak, rather thatn just brushing your bloody teeth.
etc,etc.




Oh ! BTW

First person to become muslim : Khadija ( A WOMEN)
First matyr in Islam : Sumayaah (R.A) (A WOMEN)
Aisha (R.A) fought together with the prophet in wars .


THERES ALSO A VERSE THAT SAYS WOMEN ARE SMARTER THEN MEN, JUST BARE WITH ME, WHEN I FIND THE LOCATION I'LL POST IT. So you will know that I am not pulling this out of my head