Originally Posted by Nisaar
I know its really kind of silly for me to reply to my own thread but I would like to take that last statement back. Thanks to America muslims will soon have a right to vote and a Democracy. I'd never want to take Saddams part and I felt like I was doing that.
Forgive me guys
"It is a little knowledge of science that makes you an Atheist, and it is an in-depth study of science that makes you a believer in God Almighty". [Sir Francis]
First of all it is rather difficult to believe that there can be an edict that justify that women's hair emit sex rays. That is a bit of a way out rationale.
It is my curiosity, when a Moslem man goes to marry, does he get a chance to see the lady's face before marriage? Or is that also not possible?
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
Nisaar, the gelding was restrictive-mullah specific. lol I once helped a vet school ladyfriend neuter two goats (I held the goats, she used her personal pocket knife) in under 20 seconds, no anesthetic. I never quite slept soundly with her after that.
In terms of head-covering, you'll find many Christian sects, most notably Greek Orthodox, often do the same.
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Make mental Note :
Absolutely do not be in room with Horrido for close to 20 seconds.....
Reason : I should be given the chance to use it before I lose it!!!
"It is a little knowledge of science that makes you an Atheist, and it is an in-depth study of science that makes you a believer in God Almighty". [Sir Francis]
In my opinion, the whole hijab/burka thing is an Arabian cultural element, certainly not a religious aspect. The emergence of hijabs among Pakistanis is a relatively new phenomenon, traditionally the flowing 'dupatta' over the shoulders or loosely over the head is the Pakistani tradition.
Bhutto, the former PM of Pakistan is a good example of it:
What was she thinking of posing in that manner
Last edited by Aryan; 20 Aug 04, at 20:35.
Your in her 'hood now!
What was she thinking of posing in that manner :p
2 yrs back met her in Pizza Hut, she was dining with some Indian family. No Hijab! Almost didn't recognize her :D. When we did, this friend of mine, went up to talk to her. Haha, he was so nervous, like he was going to ask her number or something. Though that would've been something fun to do. haha, will remember the next time I catch her around.In my opinion, the whole hijab/burka thing is an Arabian cultural element, certainly not a religious aspect. The emergence of hijabs among Pakistanis is a relatively new phenomenon, traditionally the flowing 'dupatta' over the shoulders or loosely over the head is the Pakistani tradition.
Bhutto, the former PM of Pakistan is a good example of it:
What was she thinking of posing in that manner
Nisaar, drop me a line if you're up for a chat.
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Asim,
Benazir talking to an INdian family?
Woow. The blasted subversive. She also talked with Clinton and Bush. Worse. Osama says so!
What's the idea of using 'Indian'? I speak to Pakistanis, but thts no great shakes. They are also human even if they are on the wrong side of the border.
Come on, get real.
I would even greet you, vision and aryan as my long lost firends,even if you dont.
I will still have my differences, but meeting you all, including interacting on this forum, I think much of the misunderstandings, if any, must have been watered down.
From this unfortunate post of yours (and I thought you are beyond pettiness) if the teaching in Pakistan is to have hate all the way, it is sad. it is not so with us. We want friendship and happiness.
As I told you, I have even now the best of friendship with a Pakistan Army Officer who was my opposite number in the 1971 War and whom I met during the Delineation Talks and on the Line of Control. I don't hate him. He did his duty and I did mine. But he was a human and so was I. He understood that and so did I.
It is you civilians who have no idea of the ravages of war who are 'patriotic' and jingoists so long as someone else does the dirty work for you so that you can live and spew venom all around.
Last edited by Ray; 20 Aug 04, at 21:43.
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
The point i was making was that it is a cultural thing the impact that bare bits have on people. Over here in the UK we thought that the uproar in the US was bizarre. But that the US has a more vitorian attitude to such things.
If the US looks prudish compared to the UK, the the UK in turn looks completely prudish compared to France, Germany or Italy etc where nudity is accepted in billboard advertising.
So who is "right" - the prudish US, which is more "restrictive" than the UK, or the more liberal Italians who quite happy have women wearing next to nothing to advertise office furniture?
The olympics have had to adjust their ways by even the liberal standards of the west. There was a fair amount of controversy a few years ago over the amount of flesh being shown by some gymnasts and the somewhat hilarious public debate over the shape of Chinese girls bottoms. There has been the adjustment of ages of competition which, amongst other reasons, was at least to bring the ages of some of the gymnasts up to legal ages for letching after!
On the other end of the scale beach volleyball actually contains sporting regulations regarding the maximum amount of clothing that the players may wear - clearly an attempt to gain viewers through titilation.
A few years ago i had some friends from the US (SoCal) over in the UK. When confronted with a normal "girls night out" in a restaurant over here they were unable to comprehend how women would go around looking like that because, and i quote, "aren't they worried they might get raped?".
Clearly there are cultural differences between even the more "enlightened" societies, even those who essentially share a common culture.
Now, forcing people to cover up is the contentious bit. However a lot of religions insist on certain standards of dress and quite often it is around head coverings, for both men and women. It isn't just islam, after all.
I feel that burkha's are completely over the top (pardon the pun), however if i lived in a burkha society i would probably find myself fantisising about what she looked like / was wearing underneath and i am sure this would be just as provovative as her wearing more western dress.
If it works for you, it's perfect. Many people believe the stunt was set up, and she knew that wasn't allowed to do it at that type of venue. (I have no idea if it was or wasn't set up.) Even the liberal Italians don't have naked people selling gum on ads in schools, I'm sure there are rules against it.
BTW, your buddies from SoCal ever go to the beach? Unless your "girl's night out" people were topless, or bottomless, I doubt they were less dressed.
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I don't doubt it for a moment, but doing it predicted the outrage, and it is that bit were the difference is.
I agree, but then you know how it works, sometimes more is less (hence my comment with the burkhaBTW, your buddies from SoCal ever go to the beach? Unless your "girl's night out" people were topless, or bottomless, I doubt they were less dressed.
man these god-damn backward moslems! its a disgrace for them islamic countries to be involved with sniffin each others underwears in the year 2004!
Lull,
Easy does it.
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
See this is this same story in that pathetic God forsaken area of the world. The religious zealots influence the government to the point that it is this conservative in all mouzlum countries. This haramzada musharraf tuttoo is basically a mulla.He may be against them now, but we all know that he is a mulla too. Just like that Khatami across the border in iran, despite his claims that he is a liberal gaandoo and blah blah!
Unless all these pre-colonial pieces of shit die out and aren't replaced with a younger and more westernised stock, we will continue to see the subcontinent fester over extremely backward and quite frankly ridiculous issues.
These two countries should resolve this kashmir issue, and just God-damn move on man, before its too late.
INMO death to all religious conservatives. It is they who swindle the illiterate and impressionable ppl in them third world countries sieze power and ruin all of our lives. !
Last edited by lulldapull; 21 Aug 04, at 18:49.
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