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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisaar
    The syndrome states that if you are forced to do something long enough, when you are no longer forced to do it, you still continue to do it even if it is something injurious to you or of no benefit, and the mind starts to enjoy doing it even if it hated it previously.
    Nisaar, does the book actually say "enjoy?" I know many suppressed people when no longer forced to do a certain thing, as you mentioned, continue to do it, but I've always felt that it was more of them feeling it was their role, they deserved no better (as with abused women). Abused women, contrary to what some people say, do not enjoy what they endure. "Why don't they leave, then?" people ask. Because they have been taught to believe they deserve no better. They have so little self esteem because of what they endured.

    That's why I was wondering about the word "enjoy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisaar
    Like I was saying earlier, the women in the middle East accept that they are "Inferior to men" (so to say).

    I read in my phsycollogy book the other day about something called, 'Stockholm syndrome'. The syndrome states that if you are forced to do something long enough, when you are no longer forced to do it, you still continue to do it even if it is something injurious to you or of no benefit, and the mind starts to enjoy doing it even if it hated it previously.

    You think it was something like that?
    Was this women also covering her face?, or only her hair.
    The best way to oppress someone(in my opinion) is to cover their face.
    Hi Nissar, the issue was should she have to uncover her face to give evidence.

    I don't think the court would have minded her hair being covered so long as the jury could see her as she was answering questions. It was a defence motion, so i'm not sure where our law as such stands on the issue.

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    That's a interesting take - "Stockholm Syndrome" as explanation.

    Though I wonder why we have to go looking for explanations afar and deny the explanations near at hand. Seems to me that when we engage in such a effort, it serves to obscure, to dissipate our attention from where it belongs.


    Why is Hijab making the impression on significant numbers of Muslims that it seems to be making??? Is the entire society suffering from the Stockholm syndrome?

    What if we were to make an alternate suggestion - to the effect that Hijab represents several things all at once - a political symbol, a particular expression of a particular religiosity, a expression of the power of peer pressure, a expression of community and isolation - that the component of whatever this Islam turns out to be is intensely secular in it's foundation and orientation, that it is bereft of the "acid" of faith as it is understood to operate in traditional Abrahamic religions.

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    Has it ever occured to these fools that the real solution to any concerns about fostering sexual promiscuity through a manner of dress would be to demand a little self control and discipline from Muslim men--instead of demanding the female half of the population subsidize such immaturity by forcing them to become second-class citizens?
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    Self control?? Who dat is!

    Implies that one, a person, a self, is in control, has a code of ethical behavior -- dangerous stuff.

    Anyway, what u got against kicking women around? Wasn't it a woman who "sided" with satan and introduced noble (if horny) man to the fruit of knowledge? And aren't they dirty and the powerful allure they exercise over noble (if weak) men?

    Hijab is a symbol of freedom, freedom from reason, freedom from responsibility -- kinda like "work makes you free".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipruss
    Hi Nissar, the issue was should she have to uncover her face to give evidence.

    I don't think the court would have minded her hair being covered so long as the jury could see her as she was answering questions. It was a defence motion, so i'm not sure where our law as such stands on the issue.

    I think that is a totally fair request to make, I mean jeez, anyone could be under there........


    Oh, BTW, Mostlymad, my lecturer even tells me that the subjects enjoy and even miss the torture..... or what it was that affected them.
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    Hijab is a symbol of freedom, freedom from reason, freedom from responsibility -- kinda like "work makes you free".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisaar
    Oh, BTW, Mostlymad, my lecturer even tells me that the subjects enjoy and even miss the torture..... or what it was that affected them.
    that's tragic, Nisaar. For abused women, the ones I was mentioning, they may "miss" it in the sense that a battered child may miss beatings or sexual abuse if that was the only attention they received. Life feels uncertain without it. It isn't so much that they liked being hurt, but once that is gone, they face "what now? What do I do? Who is there to define me, even if it's to tell me I am bad?"

    I am not arguing with your lecturer, but in these cases I like to see it taken further so that we all remember the victim is the victim, not in control, in a very bad situation, and even if they appear to like it or invite it, it is still very detrimental to them, and when such conditioning as comes from abuse occurs, can we really say that it is the person's free choice, even if they seem to miss it?

    (nice to see you here, btw!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarek
    -- kinda like "work makes you free".
    what? It doesn't??!!!??

    (oh, I am so out of here.....)

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    What about the idea that even though a western raised muslim, or a middle eastern one with more of a modern individual style upbringing, may identify with the hijab as an identity marker. A bit of nationalistic rebellion against a society that rejects the hijab as a backward oddity, sugesting the wearer as one too.

    Imagine yourself in a society that thinks you are backward and odd. Seems to me humans in this situation will do one of two things. reject the oddity and try to blend in with the dominant culture, or as an act of defiance and pride move even more closer to the backward odditieness. People are never more defensive of their culture as when it is being attacked.

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    An interesting take - Are we to understand then that Hijab does not reflect a religiosity or religious obligation, an article of faith - but a cultural enterprise in which the symbolism of rejection, exclusion and isolation is raised to such a level as to blur the distinction between political, cultural and religious and healthy from unhealthy?
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    OH my I have been gone for too long. If these claims are true then it would explain a lot of things like why I am so horny all the time.

    Confusing to me is if these claims are true and it is necessary to cover the female form so much, how has the human society that does not employ these standards of decency continue to develop and in perspective to islamic dominated countries flourished? Also why have these countries with said standards of decency not grown into superpowers?
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    Some excerpts from the following article: http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/18656.htm

    A circular from the Ministry of Islamic Guidance and Culture in Tehran asks TV editors to make sure that women's games are not televised live: "Images of women engaged in contests [sic] must be carefully vetted," says the letter, leaked in Tehran. "Editors must take care to prevent viewers from being confronted [sic] with uncovered parts of the female anatomy in contests." . . .

    Fear of Muslim viewers seeing bare female legs and arms on television is also shared by theologians in several Arab states. Sheik Yussuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian theologian based in Qatar, claims that female sport is exploited as a means of undermining "divine morality."

    Ayatollah Emami Kashani, one of Iran's ruling mullahs, goes further. In a recent sermon, he claimed that allowing women to compete in the Olympics was a "sign of voyeurism" on the part of the male organizers.

    "The question how much of a woman's body could be seen in public is one of the two or three most important issues that have dominated theological debate in Islam for decades," says Mohsen Sahabi, a Muslim historian. "More time and energy is devoted to this issue than to economic development or scientific research. "

    The Khomeinist version of the hijab, invented in the 1970s and now popular in many countries, including the United States, covers a woman's entire body but allows her face and hands to be exposed. Hijab theoreticians agree on one claim: a woman's hair emanates dangerous rays that could drive men wild with sexual lust and thus undermine social peace.

    But the problem of women athletes goes deeper. Some theologians claim that any form of sporting activity by women produces "sinful consequences." In 2000, for example, the Khomeinist authorities in Tehran announced a ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles. The rationale? Riding bicycles or motorcycles would activate a woman's thighs and legs, thus arousing "uncontrollable lustful drives" in her. And men watching women on their bikes in the streets could be "led towards dangerous urges."

    The problems don't end there. According to some theologians, a woman should not be allowed to venture out of her home without a "raqib" or male guardian. But that guardian must be either her husband or her father, brother, grandfather, uncle or son.

    Even if a woman is accompanied by such a "raqib" at a sporting event, the problem isn't solved. One woman's "raqib" will be a stranger to the other women playing, say, a game of volleyball. Thus any sport involving more than one woman produces complex chaperonage problems.

    Last year, the Tehran Municipality presented a plan to provide sports facilities for women. . . . A model stadium was set up with 12-foot-high walls to make sure that no one could see the women from the outside. The stadium was to operate with an all-female staff, including coaches and administrators. The plan was scrapped last February, when critics claimed that the proposed stadium was located close enough to an airport that women in the stadium might be seen by men flying above them in jetliners and helicopters. . . .

    The municipality still hopes to find another plot of land to build an all-female facility. "Women account for a majority of the population in this city," says Esfandiar Mashaie, Tehran deputy mayor for social affairs. "We cannot ask them to pay municipal taxes but be denied the same facilities as men simply because we fear that some men may go wild by seeing women doing sport."

    At times, fear of women doing sports causes major headaches for Islamic governments. The Islamic Republic in Iran, for example, has agreed to host the Muslim Women's International badminton games next year. Although all the participating athletes have agreed to wear uniforms that cover them from head to toe, the organizers are still worried that men might sneak in to have a look at what is going on. To solve the problem, the authorities have decided to hold the games in a remote mountain resort. The only road leading to the resort will be sealed by an all-female unit of the paramilitary Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The games will be organized and supervised by exclusively female staff and recorded by an all-female TV crew.

    "The place would look like a lepers' colony," says Soheila Karimi, a women-rights campaigner. "These people live on another planet and in a different epoch."

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    LOL, I wonder why the hell the stupid scientists are busy studying all sorts of things using x rays when they could investigate the Islamic "sex rays from female hair" Theory instead.


    All the blame seems to fall on the women here How about the lack of control and weakness of the men?...Islam treats the women as an evil temptress but is weak in explaining the responsibility of the man to control his desire. Islam's answer is cover the women and blame her if a man should defile her.

    Jesus forgave the prostitute and ask the perfect man to step foreword who would accuse her. None came foreword but all left who were ready to stone her.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulG View Post
    What about the idea that even though a western raised muslim, or a middle eastern one with more of a modern individual style upbringing, may identify with the hijab as an identity marker. A bit of nationalistic rebellion against a society that rejects the hijab as a backward oddity, sugesting the wearer as one too.

    Imagine yourself in a society that thinks you are backward and odd. Seems to me humans in this situation will do one of two things. reject the oddity and try to blend in with the dominant culture, or as an act of defiance and pride move even more closer to the backward odditieness. People are never more defensive of their culture as when it is being attacked.
    Or, look at it from the woman's perspective. Many women feel men are backward and odd. Yet, we use that knowledge to our advantage, not out of defiance, but as exploitative. The results can be rewarding.

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    Could somebody please tell these backward fools that it's time to come out of the 8th Century?

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