Thread: Words of Wisdom from Grand Ayatollah Khomeini

Originally Posted by Ray

I remain bewildered still as to how you call Shias 'a whole relgion'.

I wasn't apologising. I said in case my contention was incorrect, then that would be the case. So, please don't jump to conclusion and get condescending.

You can take the horse to the water but you can't force it to drink!

I've made my points logically and rationally.

Lets stick to the topic, shall we?

Logic?

The science of correct reasoning; science which describes relationships among propositions in terms of implication, contradiction, contrariety, conversion.

The topic is the Grabd Sayings of Ayotollah.

It is over. Read my posts. I didn't believe it. Rather contradictory to religious edicts, especially of a strict religion like Islam where a dissenter can be issued a Fatwah of death like Salman Rushdie (A Kashmiri).

My doubts arose since it was from an Iranian web site. I am surprised (I mentioned this also) as to how such a website can flourish in Iran.

This dichotomy of a claimed repressive regime and yet also allowing such websites that shows kissing on the lips of men on men and such (to my mind) blasphemous saying attributed to the Ayotollah (who is like the Pope to the Shia the world over) befuddles me immensely.

Originally Posted by Ray

Logic?

The science of correct reasoning; science which describes relationships among propositions in terms of implication, contradiction, contrariety, conversion.

The topic is the Grabd Sayings of Ayotollah.

It is over. Read my posts. I didn't believe it. Rather contradictory to religious edicts, especially of a strict religion like Islam where a dissenter can be issued a Fatwah of death like Salman Rushdie (A Kashmiri).

My doubts arose since it was from an Iranian web site. I am surprised (I mentioned this also) as to how such a website can flourish in Iran.

This dichotomy of a claimed repressive regime and yet also allowing such websites that shows kissing on the lips of men on men and such (to my mind) blasphemous saying attributed to the Ayotollah (who is like the Pope to the Shia the world over) befuddles me immensely.

Thank you.

We are in total agreement here!

Originally Posted by roshan

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1900-1989) born on May 17, Iranian religious leader. He was the Supreme Leader of Iran, 1979-89 and leader of Shiite Moslems in Iran.

Now, for his great words of wisdom:

"If a fly gets into the throat of one who is fasting, it is not necessary to pull it out."

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he
should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and
damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her
life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives.
The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister."

"A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on.
However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not
sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to
the next door village should be fine."

"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."

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What amazing wisdom! It is simply divine. Ayatollahs, sign me up!!!

Not too different from Alabama's state constituion!

Originally Posted by roshan

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1900-1989) born on May 17, Iranian religious leader. He was the Supreme Leader of Iran, 1979-89 and leader of Shiite Moslems in Iran.

Now, for his great words of wisdom:

"If a fly gets into the throat of one who is fasting, it is not necessary to pull it out."

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he
should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and
damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her
life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives.
The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister."

"A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on.
However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not
sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to
the next door village should be fine."

"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."

************************************************** **************

What amazing wisdom! It is simply divine. Ayatollahs, sign me up!!!

This thread right from its first posting was extremely interesting. The very nature of its contents taken together with the alleged author, made it at the same time deeply disturbing.
On first reading it, the most obvious thought to come to mind was that it was an extremely clever attempt of disinformation; a view shared in many of the later postings. Later, after a number of postings apparently confirmed the authenticity of the source, a case was made for errors in translation of the material.
I am just wondering, if among the Muslim members of this forum there exists one or more; or someone with an acquaintances or associates, capable of reading the original Farsi, the language the book “Tahrirolvasyleh” if authentic or simply a clever fake, was written.
If simply a clever piece of disinformation it deserves to be debunked for the fake it is. But if authentic, both as to content and author, the implications are almost beyond belief.
Again if authentic, it shows that the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini a man who’s politics I personally found offensive, but whose piety and religious convictions apparently were beyond reproach, as a hypocrite and morally defective paedophile.
More then that, it will show that the theocratic government of Iran who have elevated this man to almost saint like status, as corrupt and morally defective as the author of this contemptible book.
This is all supposing that the work is authentic, which is why its provenance should be verified.
A case may also be made for the fact that if authentic, it is just the rambling ravings of a single deluded lunatic. That it would be unfair and unjust to castigate the faith of the ruling class of an entire country for one mans excesses. This is true in part, the faith should not be held responsible, but the theocratic leadership should! For the aforementioned ruling class have placed this man on a saintly pedestal, then; if the books authenticity is vindicated, its time to show that this symbol of piety and religious devotion didn’t just have feet of clay, but that they were mired in excrement. Also that the religious leaders when made aware of his apparent abnormality did not remove him from office because of own self-interest, were equally morally corrupt.