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    Quote Originally Posted by visioninthedark
    however much I oppose theocracy ... i think i must point out the irrationality of the thread ...

    the member is thinking that in a society that was based upon shia religion ... a person asking for people to break its FUNDAMENTAL COMMANDMENTS would still be held in high esteem ...

    afterall .... people were WHIPPED ... for keeping their heads uncovered ...

    and holding hands ...

    and you think what you wrote above is logical ...

    IF YOU BELIEVE THIS .... IT IS AN INSULT TO YOUR OWN INTELLIGENCE ...
    The Iranian Mullahs and Ayatollahs who follow Khomeini have recently decided that women should not be allowed to play sports or ride bikes. Is this the teaching of Shia Islam, or is it the teaching of Ayatollah Khomeini?

    The Iranian judiciary has recently decided that if you play loud music, you deserve to be whipped : http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-8-2004_pg7_42 Is this an Islamic teaching, or is what these priests teaching against Islam?

    In this website: http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/eng...hFatwaID=31397 A muslim priest recently wrote:

    "However, the most moderate opinion and the most likely one to be correct is in favor of practicing circumcision in the moderate Islamic way indicated in some of the Prophet's hadiths ? even though such hadiths are not confirmed to be authentic. It is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said to a midwife: "Reduce the size of the clitoris but do not exceed the limit, for that is better for her health and is preferred by husbands". The hadith indicates that circumcision is better for a woman's health and it enhances her conjugal relation with her husband. It?s noteworthy that the Prophet's saying "do not exceed the limit" means do not totally remove the clitoris."

    Is this an actual Islamic teaching or are these priests teaching their own fundamentalist/wrong views instead?

    My point here is that religious leaders often teach things that are against their religion, so you shouldnt be so shocked that Ayatollah Khomeini taught these things.

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    Here is a Womens rights website(Homa Darabi Foundation) with Khomeini quotes: http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

    More of Khomeinis Great Wisdom:

    "It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden."

    "If a man becomes aroused by a woman other than his wife but then has intercourse with his own wife, it is preferable for him not to pray if he has sweated; but if he first has intercourse with his wife and then with another woman, he may say his prayers even though he be in a sweat. A man who has ejaculated as a result of intercourse with a woman other than his wife, and who then ejaculates again while having coitus with his wife, does not have the right to say his prayers while still sweating; but if he has had intercourse with his wife first and then with a woman not his wife, he may say his prayers even though still sweating."

    "If a fly or any other insect settled first on something impure that is moist and then on something pure that is moist, the later in turns becomes impure, provided one can be certain that the former was impure; failing that, it remains pure."

    "During the time a woman is menstruating, it is preferable for a man to avoid coitus, even if it does not involve full penetration- that is, as far as the circumcision ring and even if it does not involve ejaculation. It is also highly inadvisable for him to sodomize her during this time.

    If the number of days of the woman's menstrual period is divided by three, a husband who has intercourse with her during the first two days must pay equivalent of 18 nokhods (each nokhod is about 3 grams) of gold to the poor; if he has it on the third or fourth days the equivalent of 9 nokhods; and if he has it during the last two days, the equivalent of 41/2 nokhods. Sodomizing a menstruating woman does not require such payment.

    If a man has intercourse with his wife during all three of these periods, he must pay the equivalent of 31/2 nokhods in gold to the poor. If the price of gold has changed between the time of coitus and the time of payment, the rate in effect on the day of payment will prevail.

    If during an act of intercourse a man notices that the woman has begun menstruating, he must withdraw, if he fails to, he must give alms to the poor.

    If such a man cannot afford to give alms to the poor, he must at least give something to a beggar. If he cannot afford that either, he must ask forgiveness of God."

    The website also has the texts in farsi, which shows that it is not made up:

    http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?Cont...CID=2083225445
    http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?Cont...CID=2083225445

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    Heres an Iranain website with more Khomeini quotes: http://ethnikoi.org/iran.html

    "If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid."

    "If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage."

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    I'm not a big fan of the Iranian Leadership but this just doesn't sound right. Remember there are tons of Sunnis (and I'm one), who are out there promoting all kinds of horror stories about Shia Islam. Amongst one group of friends, some guys were like, when Shia boys and girls can't get married they goto dark rooms nude and find a mate, screw em, and then come out and get married. This story apparently got famous that once a brother and sister eneded up screwing each other. The whole story had bullshit written all over it.

    The differences in Shia Islam rose over some leadership issues of the Islamic empire some long time back. Some of these morons promote this crap to put down Shias. And I think thats exactly what you've found. Plus I think what you're posting are DO's and DONT's which are purposefully poorly translated to make them sound funny and disgusting. Though yes I do not like their leadership, Most Iranians I'd say are pretty cool people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim Aquil
    I'm not a big fan of the Iranian Leadership but this just doesn't sound right. Remember there are tons of Sunnis (and I'm one), who are out there promoting all kinds of horror stories about Shia Islam. Amongst one group of friends, some guys were like, when Shia boys and girls can't get married they goto dark rooms nude and find a mate, screw em, and then come out and get married. This story apparently got famous that once a brother and sister eneded up screwing each other. The whole story had bullshit written all over it.

    The differences in Shia Islam rose over some leadership issues of the Islamic empire some long time back. Some of these morons promote this crap to put down Shias. And I think thats exactly what you've found. Plus I think what you're posting are DO's and DONT's which are purposefully poorly translated to make them sound funny and disgusting. Though yes I do not like their leadership, Most Iranians I'd say are pretty cool people.
    I too am not a fan of Iranian mullahs AS A POLITICAL BODY.

    No one could WISH MORE that THESE MULLAHS WERE RIPPED OUT OF POLITICS ...

    This is clear from all my posts on ALL FORUMS where I participate ...

    BUT

    what Asim just said ... hits the nail right on the head ... !!

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    So there's no way this one guy is a loon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999
    So there's no way this one guy is a loon?
    I wouldn't want this guy to be my president .... he's NOT a politician and his political decisions were all wrong ...


    Just like you wouldn't want the pope to take over the US ... and impose himself as president ...


    BUT .... on a religious level ... the guy held the same position in Shia Islam LIKE THE POPE IN CATHOLICISM ...


    would it be possible for the pope to encourace homosexual relations?? ... NO IT WOULD NOT ... BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST THE VERY FAITH HE REPRESENTS ...

    SAME FOR KHOMEINI ... IT DON'T MAKE SENSE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS THE POPE IN HIS RELIGION TO WRITE THINGS THAT BREAK THE BASIC COMMANDMENTS OF RELIGION ...


    I don't think that is too hard to understand .. is it?


    I mean .... can the pope say satan is the rightful ruler of the world?? and all catholics should worship satan???


    NO ... he can't ... why ... because ITS ILLOGICAL ...

    IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ...


    PLUS HIS CARDINALS WOULDN'T LET HIM REMAIN POPE IF HE SAID THAT ...



    same situation here ...

    THE OTHER AYATOLLAHS WOULD EX-COMMUNICATE KHOMEINI IF HE WROTE ALL THAT STUFF AGAINST THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL COMMANDMENTS OF SHIA RELIGION ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by visioninthedark
    would it be possible for the pope to encourace homosexual relations??
    There are looneys in every religion, and an awful lot of people say this is true. I can't find anyone saying it's false either. Without the book, or someone with something saying it's false, I can't tell you it's right or wrong.
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    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    he was an absolute looney when it came to politics ... AND HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LEFT IN POWER TO RUIN THAT ONCE GLORIOUS NATION!!


    however ... religion is another matter ... it runs on certain rules ... WHICH NO ONE CAN BREAK ...


    SPECIALLY NOT THOSE WHO SIT ON THE APEX OF ITS INSTITUTIONS ...



    he would have been EXCOMMUNICATED .... as simple as that ...

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    Seems to me that the people advancing the argument that these are legitimate quotes have provided an overwhelming amount of verifiable links that contain the exact quotes as evidence to back their claims.

    From that, any rational person has to conclude the quotes are in fact genuine unless they have direct contradictory evidence, which is totally lacking in this debate.

    I think it's a pretty safe bet that Khomenei has advanced all the ideas he is quoted for on this site.

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    M21Sniper;

    you just don't get it ... !!


    I could post you articles about any religion and give you links and quotes ...

    BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS ALL TRUE ... !!


    anyone can set up a website and write anything .... DOES THAT MAKE IT TRUE?


    IF I PROVIDE YOU A LINK ..... DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT WHAT I POSTED IS TRUE??


    I think we shouldn't be so naive ... just use your common sense ...

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    Roshan,

    Though you have quoted from a book and those links I find it too ridiculous and too depraved to be said by a relgious leader, no matter which religion he may profess he is from.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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    Vision, relax, take a deep breathe.

    Good, now, this is what you must realize.

    NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US HERE ATTRIBUTES THE VIEWS OF AYATOLLAH KHOMENEI AS BEING IN ANY WAY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM.

    What we should ALL be able to agree on without hesitation, is that the man was a psychotic fruit cake.

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    These websites are from Iran.

    One thing one has to agree is that they have freedom of the press and media.

    Imagine this book (the Little Green book or whatever) being published in Iran!
    Last edited by Ray; 16 Aug 04, at 01:01.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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    Errr I'm pretty sure those texts have been intentionaly poorly translated. I'd show it to an Iranian and get her word on it. Several things u translate word for word from Arabic, sound extremely weird.

    For example, The whole fly in the throat thing's probably his way of saying that If something's accidentally eaten (u jump in a pool, and some water goes down, somebody puts a gun to your head, etc.) its all cool, your fasts not broken.

    nasal secretion: Errr animals sniff around food y'know. usually leaving some ewwy stuff from their nose behind. I won't be surprised if all the guy was trying to say was "If the food's not been drooled on and gotten bad, don't waste it".

    I'm pretty sure, the claims of Pedophilia and Animal Sex have some explanation or some totally different meanings as well. Let's see what my friend says.

    Btw, it takes about 10$ to put up all kinds of stuff on it. I know there's inceasing hatred towards Iran, and it feels nice to diss everything Iranian, especially thats highly respected, by the Iranians. Iranians are pretty cool people, the focus should be at disabling their leadership. And going about it this way is totally wrong and not self-serving. It'll just align the moderates of Iran and the extremists under one banner, the protection of their religion.

    Choice is yours, I'm neither Iranian nor Shia. Just saying what seems to me the smarter thing to do.

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