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    Blair hails heavyweight successor

    Blair hails heavyweight successor

    Tony Blair has branded Tory leader David Cameron a "flyweight" who faces electoral knockout by the "big clunking fist" of a Labour "heavyweight".

    His words, as the pair clashed over Mr Blair's plans for his last year as prime minister, were taken as an apparent endorsement of Gordon Brown.

    Mr Cameron accused Mr Blair of running "a tired and discredited" government.

    He said the 29 bills in the Queen's Speech, focused on crime and security, peddled the "politics of fear".

    The Tory leader told MPs it had all been heard before, saying: "The tragedy of this prime minister is that he promised so much and he has delivered so little."

    He said the package of plans was "not about keeping hospitals open or keeping the streets safe, it's about keeping a tired and discredited Labour Party in power, and the truth is they've failed to deliver".

    Mr Blair, responding, denied using the "politics of fear," saying the government had made a "realistic assessment of the threat and the measures to meet it".

    On anti-social behaviour, Mr Blair said the Tories were "completely out of touch with the needs of people in this country".

    Mr Blair ended his repsonse by saying the next election contest would be "a flyweight versus a heavyweight".

    "However much he dances around the ring beforehand he will come in reach of a big clunking fist and, you know what, he'll be out on his feet, carried out of the ring," Mr Blair told the Tory leader before getting a pat on the back from Mr Brown when he sat down.

    Iraq

    In his response the Queen's Speech, Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell accused Mr Blair of being too keen to introduce new laws.

    He also attacked the government over Iraq and what he called Mr Blair's "apparently uncritical acceptance of a US strategy which has self-evidently failed".

    Calling for a phased withdrawal of troops, Sir Menzies said the government had "no right" to ask service people to risk their lives "if there is no realistic chance of success".

    The details of the government's priorities were earlier set out in Parliament by the Queen amid the traditional pomp and ceremony.

    Crime, security and anti-social behaviour took centre stage but tackling climate change and reforming pensions were also highlighted as key priorities for the coming Parliamentary session.

    There will also be moves to strengthen border controls, prevent illegal working and push ahead with ID cards.

    Environment

    The government says it will push ahead with longer-term plans to implement the Turner report on pensions.

    These include restoring the link with earnings - a move welcomed by the Conservatives.

    On the environment, the government will commit itself by law to a long-term goal of a 60% cut in carbon emission by 2050 and an independent panel to monitor progress.

    But Mr Blair rejected Conservative calls for annual targets, saying a "colder than usual winter" or a drop in fuel prices could wreck them.

    He also accused Mr Cameron of "sitting on the fence" over nuclear power, with the prime minister saying it was necessary to help cut carbon emissions.

    On Lords reform, ministers pledge to continue seeking a cross-party consensus before coming up with new legislation.

    But they remain committed to abolishing the remaining hereditary peers and holding a free vote on the composition of the second chamber.

    Terrorism

    As in recent years, the Home Office that will have the heaviest workload, with eight separate bills referred to in the programme.

    Sentencing reforms could see criminals caught red-handed lose the right to have their sentences cut by a third if they plead guilty, and tougher sentences for violent prisoners.

    The immigration measures are expected to put into practice the plans unveiled in the summer for tighter immigration controls and firmer action against employers who use illegal immigrant labour.

    On terrorism, no new bills were unveiled but the government said it would legislate to fill the "gaps" identified by Home Secretary John Reid's review of current capabilities and resources, "taking into account lessons learned" from the alleged airline terror plot last summer.

    Some ministers are said to be in favour of a new attempt to allow the detention of terrorism suspects for up to 90 days, before they are charged.

    The session is scheduled to last until next November, and as Mr Blair has said he will stand down by next September, it will be his last one in office.

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    Cameron slams 'politics of fear'

    Cameron slams 'politics of fear'

    David Cameron has accused the government of peddling the "politics of fear" in its plans for the coming year.

    The Conservative leader described Tony Blair's final Queen's Speech as prime minister as "hollow and repetitive" and a wasted opportunity.

    "It was a chance to offer hope for a better society. Instead he chose fear to cover up his failures," he told MPs.

    The 29 new bills announced earlier were dominated by measures to combat crime, security and anti-social behaviour.

    In his response, Mr Cameron told MPs the programme was "so repetitive and hollow people feel they have heard it all before.

    "And it's so depressing that they might think the chancellor has already taken over."

    'Sunshine'

    He attacked Mr Blair's record on criminal justice, pensions, security, the NHS and immigration, saying "the tragedy of this prime minister is that he promised so much and he has delivered so little".

    Mr Blair hit back by taunting Mr Cameron over his recent statements on youth crime - dubbed "hug a hoodie" by opponents - and the Tory leader's party conference speech calling for more optimism.

    "Hope's not built on talking about sunshine any more than anti-social behaviour is combated by 'love'," Mr Blair told his Conservative opponent.

    The prime minister also mocked Mr Cameron for "sitting on the fence" over nuclear power and accused him of being a "flyweight" with no interest in the substance of policy.

    'Hope'

    Mr Cameron reminded the prime minister of his previous nine Queen's Speeches and claimed there had been no progress in key areas such as health and crime despite repeated legislation.

    "At the beginning of his time, the prime minister offered the country hope that he would tackle the causes of crime, but as we look at the measures placed before the house today, all we can see is a complete betrayal and debasement of that vital agenda," Mr Cameron said.

    He said the prime minister had "simply given up on the causes of crime" in favour of "eye-catching initiatives" that lasted no longer than the evening news bulletins.

    Mr Cameron added: "The paradox of New Labour is that 12 years on the prime minister is still desperately looking for this legacy.

    "Three massive majorities, a decade in power, ten Gracious Speeches, 370 pieces of legislation and the question they've got to answer is why has little been achieved?

    "It's because they put headlines ahead of delivery, they believe in centralised power not social responsibility and all too often they just pass laws to make political points rather than to deliver real change."

    Mr Cameron said the Labour government was "exhausted" and it was time for "a fresh Conservative government that offers change, optimism and hope".

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    tbh gordon brown is just about as charm appeal as a camels behind heavyweight he might be but cameron is just more likeable!

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    More than ever the nation needs a strong leader. Which of the three likely condenders will be the man to steer the ship of state through todays troubled waters? You're right, none of them. Oh Maggie, we really need you now!

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    Thatcher is on the way to meet the Maker.

    Surely, there has to be someone else.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

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    From a young guys prospective David Cameron has the edge, he has the appeal
    "Life is cruel. Why should the afterlife be any *different*? I offer you a choice. Join my crew, and postpone the judgment. One hundred years before the mast. Will ye serve?" - Captain Davy Jones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Thatcher is on the way to meet the Maker.

    Surely, there has to be someone else.
    Obviously Maggie Thatcher is too old, and has been out of it too long to come back now. In her prime she was formidable. I rate Winston Churchill as our best wartime PM, and Maggie as the best PM in peacetime - even though the IRA were up to their tricks in Northern Ireland, and Argentina invaded the Falklands during her tenure, she stopped the slide into chaos on the home front. I think history will be kinder to her than the left-inclined media were.

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    True.

    But, what now?


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    True.

    But, what now?
    I simply don't know. I hope for the best, but experience has made me generally jaundiced about politics these days.

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    UK has no hope in hell.

    Have a look at arrse.

    Ruyard Kipling types shouting Gunga Din you are a better man!


    Sharia shall soon rule Britannia!


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    UK has no hope in hell.

    Have a look at arrse.

    Ruyard Kipling types shouting Gunga Din you are a better man!


    Sharia shall soon rule Britannia!
    Ray.. you do get carried away sometimes.. Sharia law with a 2.7% max Muslim population.. lol.. ARRSE is hardly representative of British society either... the British army has only truly represented society during periods of conscription..
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    Also, there are a number of BNP-esque types who are trying to infiltrate Arrse and post non-stop threads about how the muslims are out to get us. They generally get stepped on, but do generate a lot of noise.

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