Thread: British Royal Succession

Well, much admired Ferrous Ducal Person, it is a subject where (unfortunately) specialist lawyers could wax long and expensively on convoluted archaic laws of Regal Heredity and Succession. But let me remind you of Billy Waggledaggers shrewd obsevation "Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown", and suggest you don't volunteer for the position yourself!

Just wondering who would become king according to the laws of succession they have. The examples I gave are hypothetical.

January 23rd, 2007 - Prince Charles passes away from a heart attack
January 24th, 2007 - Queen Elizabeth passes away from natural causes

William

January 29th, 2007 - Princes William and Harry die
January 30th, 2007 - Queen Elizabeth passes away
January 31st, 2007 - King Charles passes away

Andrew

February 14th, 2007 - Prince Harry dies
March 21st, 2007 - Queen Elizabeth dies
March 22nd, 2007 - King Charles dies
March 23rd, 2007 - King William dies, no children

Andrew

It's pretty simply really...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/pi...00/1948219.stm

[QUOTE=PubFather;293640]William


Andrew


Andrew

It's pretty simply really...

Nay, nay and thrice nay my friend! They have people like Norman St.Jon Stevas who are recognised authorities on such delicate matters.( and they don't come cheap).

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Originally Posted by PubFather

William


Andrew


Andrew

It's pretty simply really...

Nay, nay and thrice nay my friend! They have people like Norman St.Jon Stevas who are recognised authorities on such delicate matters.( and they don't come cheap).

I assume you mean they're might be a debate over whether Princess Anne would succeed?

Other than that, the line of succession is pretty damn clear - primogeniture. It has been very clear cut for a long long time...

In the first example, Prince Charles precedes Queen Elizabeth in death. Wouldn't his descendants lose their place in the succession?

Originally Posted by Ironduke

In the first example, Prince Charles precedes Queen Elizabeth in death. Wouldn't his descendants lose their place in the succession?

No. Their place in the succession is dictated by their birth, and the birth of other royals. Hence Andrew used to be directly after Charles, but after the birth of William and Harry, he moved down the list.

Originally Posted by Ironduke

In the first example, Prince Charles precedes Queen Elizabeth in death. Wouldn't his descendants lose their place in the succession?

Nope - the 1st son of the 1st son (as it were) takes precendence over the second son. It's been that way for at least 700 years. Of course, in the past and in practise, it has led to any number of unsavoury uncles - Richard III being the most obvious example.

This is a list of the top 100 people in line to the British Throne. Prince Charles is the first in line. If he becomes King then he'll become King Charles III although there were rumours that he wanted to use his middle name George and become King George VII as King Charles I and King Charles II both had unusual, and tragic, reigns. If he does use his middle name then it won't be unusual as many recent British monarchs have also done the same. But he's denied these rumours and will probably still be known as King Charles III.

The second in line to the Throne is Prince William, so he'll become king after Charles. He'll become King William V and if he is married to current girlfriend Kate Middleton she'll be Queen Catherine. So it'll be King William V and Queen Catherine.

After Prince William the next in line to the Throne is Prince Harry but his real name his Henry. So he'll become King Henry IX.

The further down the list of those in line to the British Throne you go, the more obscure they become. For example, if the first 99 people in line to the British Throne all died tomorrow, then the Monarch would become the person who's 100th in line. That person who is 100th in line to the British Throne is HRH Prince Karl Wladimir of Serbia and Yugoslavia. So he'll become King Karl I and would become the first Serbian monarch of Britain. He's the great-great-great-grandson of Queen Victoria.

One of those in line to the British Throne is Norway's king, King Harald V. So if, in the unlikely event that he became king (as he is so far down the list) then he'll probably be King of both Norway and Britain at the same time.
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HRH The Prince of Wales ("The Prince Charles") (b. 1948), eldest son of Queen Elizabeth II

HRH Prince William of Wales (b. 1982), elder son of The Prince of Wales

HRH Prince Henry of Wales (b. 1984), younger son of The Prince of Wales

HRH The Duke of York ("The Prince Andrew") (b. 1960), second son of Queen Elizabeth II

HRH Princess Beatrice of York (b. 1988), elder daughter of The Duke of York

HRH Princess Eugenie of York (b. 1990), younger daughter of The Duke of York

HRH The Earl of Wessex ("The Prince Edward") (b. 1964), third son of Queen Elizabeth II

Lady Louise Windsor (b. 2003), daughter of The Earl of Wessex

HRH The Princess Royal ("The Princess Anne") (b. 1950), daughter of Queen Elizabeth II

Peter Phillips (b. 1977), son of The Princess Royal

Zara Phillips (b. 1981), daughter of The Princess Royal

David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley (b. 1961), grandson of King George VI through his daughter Princess Margaret

The Hon. Charles Armstrong-Jones (b. 1999), son of Viscount Linley

The Hon. Margarita Armstrong-Jones (b. 2002), daughter of Viscount Linley

Lady Sarah Chatto (b. 1964), granddaughter of King George VI through his daughter The Princess Margaret

Samuel Chatto (b. 1996), elder son of Lady Sarah Chatto

Arthur Chatto (b. 1999), younger son of Lady Sarah Chatto

HRH The Duke of Gloucester (b. 1944), grandson of King George V through his son Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester

Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster (b. 1974), son of the Duke of Gloucester
Lord Ulster is expecting a child in Spring 2007

Lady Davina Lewis (b. 1977), elder daughter of the Duke of Gloucester

Lady Rose Windsor (b. 1980), younger daughter of the Duke of Gloucester

HRH The Duke of Kent (b. 1935), grandson of King George V through his son Prince George, Duke of Kent

skipped George Windsor, Earl of St Andrews (b. 1962), elder son of the Duke of Kent

skipped Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick (b. 1988), son of George, Earl of St Andrews

Lady Marina-Charlotte Windsor (b. 1992), elder daughter of George, Earl of St Andrews

Lady Amelia Windsor (b. 1995), younger daughter of George, Earl of St. Andrews skipped Lord Nicholas Windsor (b. 1970), younger son of the Duke of Kent

Lady Helen Taylor (b. 1964), daughter of the Duke of Kent

Columbus Taylor (b. 1994), elder son of Lady Helen Taylor

Cassius Taylor (b. 1996), younger son of Lady Helen Taylor

Eloise Taylor (b. 2003), elder daughter of Lady Helen Taylor

Estella Taylor (b. 2004), younger daughter of Lady Helen Taylor
skipped HRH Prince Michael of Kent (b. 1942), brother of the Duke of Kent

Lord Frederick Windsor (b. 1979), son of Prince Michael of Kent

Lady Gabriella Windsor (b. 1981), daughter of Prince Michael of Kent

HRH Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy (b. 1936), sister of the Duke of Kent

James Ogilvy (b. 1964), son of Princess Alexandra

Alexander Ogilvy (b. 1996), son of James Ogilvy

Flora Ogilvy (b. 1994), daughter of James Ogilvy

Marina Ogilvy (b. 1966), daughter of Princess Alexandra

Christian Mowatt (b. 1993), son of Marina Ogilvy

Zenouska Mowatt (b. 1990), daughter of Marina Ogilvy

The Earl of Harewood (b. 1923), grandson of King George V through his daughter Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood

David Lascelles, Viscount Lascelles (b. 1950), eldest son of the Earl of Harewood

skipped the Hon. Benjamin Lascelles (b. 1978), legitimated son of Viscount Lascelles

The Hon. Alexander Lascelles (b. 1980), second son of Viscount Lascelles

The Hon. Edward Lascelles (b. 1982), third son of Viscount Lascelles

skipped the Hon. Emily Lascelles (b. 1975), legitimated daughter of Viscount Lascelles

The Hon. James Lascelles (b. 1953), second son of the Earl of Harewood

Rowan Lascelles (b. 1977), elder son of James Lascelles

Tewa Lascelles (b. 1985), younger son of James Lascelles

Sophie Lascelles (b. 1973), daughter of James Lascelles
skipped Tanit Lascelles (b. 1981), legitimated daughter of The Hon. James Lascelles

The Hon. Jeremy Lascelles (b. 1955), third son of the Earl of Harewood

Thomas Lascelles (b. 1982), son of Jeremy Lascelles

Ellen Lascelles (b. 1984), elder daughter of Jeremy Lascelles

Amy Lascelles (b. 1986), younger daughter of Jeremy Lascelles

Henry Lascelles (b. 1953), great-grandson of King George V through Princess Mary and her second son, the Hon. Gerald Lascelles

Maximilian Lascelles (b. 1991), son of Henry Lascelles

The Duke of Fife (b. 1929), great-grandson of King Edward VII through his daughter Louise, Princess Royal and Duchess of Fife and her daughter Princess Maud of Fife

David Carnegie, Earl of Southesk (b. 1961), son of the Duke of Fife

Charles Carnegie, Lord Carnegie (b. 1989), eldest son of Lord Southesk

The Hon. George William Carnegie (b. 1991), second son of Lord Southesk

The Hon. Hugh Alexander Carnegie (b. 1993), son of Lord Southesk

Lady Alexandra Etherington (b. 1959), daughter of the Duke of Fife

Amelia Etherington (b. 2001), daughter of Lady Alexandra Etherington

HM King Harald V of Norway (b. 1937), great-grandson of King Edward VII through his daughter, Queen Maud of Norway and her son King Olav V of Norway

HRH Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway (b. 1973), son of the King of Norway

Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway (b. 2005), son of the Crown Prince of Norway

HRH Princess Ingrid Alexandra of Norway (b. 2004), daughter of the Crown Prince of Norway

Princess Märtha Louise of Norway (b. 1971), daughter of the King of Norway

Maud Angelica Behn (b. 2003), elder daughter of Princess Märtha Louise

Leah Isadora Behn (b. 2005), younger daughter of Princess Märtha Louise

Princess Ragnhild, Mrs. Lorentzen (b. 1930), sister of the King of Norway
skipped Haakon Lorentzen (b. 1954), son of Princess Ragnhild, Mrs. Lorentzen

Olav Lorentzen (b. 1985), son of Haakon Lorentzen

Christian Lorentzen (b. 1988), son of Haakon Lorentzen

Sophia Lorentzen (b. 1994), daughter of Haakon Lorentzen

skipped Ingeborg Lorentzen (b. 1957), elder daughter of Princess Ragnhild, Mrs. Lorentzen

Victoria Ribeiro (b. 1988), daughter of Ingeborg Lorentzen

skipped Ragnhild Lorentzen (b. 1968), younger daughter of Princess Ragnhild, Mrs. Lorentzen

Princess Astrid, Mrs. Ferner (b. 1932), sister of the King of Norway

Alexander Ferner (b. 1965), elder son of Princess Astrid, Mrs. Ferner

Stella Ferner (b. 1998), daughter of Alexander Ferner

Carl-Christian Ferner (b. 1972), younger son of Princess Astrid, Mrs. Ferner

Cathrine Ferner Johansen (b. 1962), eldest daughter of Princess Astrid, Mrs. Ferner

Sebastian Ferner Johansen (b. 1990), son of Cathrine Johansen

Madeleine Ferner Johansen (b. 1993), daughter of Cathrine Johansen

Benedikte Ferner (b. 1963), second daughter of Princess Astrid, Mrs. Ferner

Elisabeth Ferner Beckman (b. 1969), third daughter of Princess Astrid, Mrs. Ferner

Benjamin Ferner Beckman (b. 1999), son of Elisabeth Ferner Beckman
skipped HM King Michael of Romania (b. 1921), great-great-grandson of Queen Victoria through her son Prince Alfred, his daughter Marie of Edinburgh, and her son King Carol II of Romania

HRH Princess Margarita of Romania (b. 1949), eldest daughter of King Michael of Romania

HRH Princess Helen of Romania (b. 1950), second daughter of King Michael of Romania

Nicholas Medforth-Mills (b. 1985), son of Princess Helen of Romania

Karina Medforth-Mills (b. 1989), daughter of Princess Helen of Romania

HRH Princess Irina of Romania (b. 1953), third daughter of King Michael of Romania

Michael Kreuger (b. 1985), son of Princess Irina of Romania

Angelica Kreuger (b. 1986), daughter of Princess Irina of Romania

HRH Princess Sophie of Romania (b. 1957), fourth daughter of King Michael of Romania

Elisabeta-Maria de Laufenborg (b. 1999), daughter of Princess Sophie of Romania

skipped Princess Maria of Romania (b. 1964), fifth daughter of King Michael of Romania

skipped HRH Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1945), greatX3-grandson of Queen Victoria through Prince Alfred

HRH Prince Peter of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1980), son of Crown Prince Alexander

HRH Prince Philip of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1982), son of Crown Prince Alexander

HRH Prince Alexander of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1982), son of Crown Prince Alexander

HRH Prince Nikolas of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1958), greatX3-grandson of Queen Victoria through Prince Alfred

HRH Princess Marija of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1993), daughter of Prince Nikolas

HRH Prince George of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b.1984), brother of Prince Nikolas

HRH Prince Michael of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1985), brother of Prince Nikolas

HRH Princess Katarina of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1959), sister of Prince Nikolas

Victoria de Silva (b. 1991), daughter of Princess Katarina

HRH Prince Karl Wladimir of Serbia and Yugoslavia (b. 1964), greatX3-grandson of Queen Victoria through Prince Alfred