Thread: Retrial begins of BNP leaders accused of stirring racial hatred

Originally Posted by Trooth

Yes, but they wouldn't want to pick on the Hindu. Because then their next meeting in the Curry House in Welling might become somewhat ironic.

funny

Originally Posted by dabong1

I was trying to give an example of how the BNP could have picked on the hindus or any other minority that is not covered by hate legislation.
The muslims are the modern day russian commie.

I think you are mistaken. Religious hate laws are precisely that - regardless of ethnicity. For example, bias (and sectarian chanting) comes under the race hate legislation in Scotland. (It may be a "tweaked" version of the act, however.)

Originally Posted by PubFather

I think you are mistaken. Religious hate laws are precisely that - regardless of ethnicity. For example, bias (and sectarian chanting) comes under the race hate legislation in Scotland. (It may be a "tweaked" version of the act, however.)

If you right in what you are saying then why did nick griffin not get sent to jail.

Because the decision was that he had not incited racial hatred.

Originally Posted by Trooth

Because the decision was that he had not incited racial hatred.

Two British National Party leaders stoked up racial hatred in an area of troubled community relations with speeches against jews, ethnic minorities and asylum seekers, a court heard yesterday.

judasim was derided by the far-right party's chairman, Nick Griffin, as "a wicked, vicious faith" while one of his deputies, Mark Collett, called asylum seekers "cockroaches" and urged cheering supporters to "show ethnics the door in 2004". Both told closed party meetings they would face trouble from the media or the law if they denounced the torah publicly or an alleged plan to destroy the white community. But they did not know that a BBC journalist, Jason Gwynne, who was posing as a BNP enthusiast, was covertly filming the speeches at a pub in Keighley, West Yorkshire.

I am pretty sure i would get sent to jail if i had said the above quote.

Originally Posted by dabong1

Two British National Party leaders stoked up racial hatred in an area of troubled community relations with speeches against jews, ethnic minorities and asylum seekers, a court heard yesterday.

judasim was derided by the far-right party's chairman, Nick Griffin, as "a wicked, vicious faith" while one of his deputies, Mark Collett, called asylum seekers "cockroaches" and urged cheering supporters to "show ethnics the door in 2004". Both told closed party meetings they would face trouble from the media or the law if they denounced the torah publicly or an alleged plan to destroy the white community. But they did not know that a BBC journalist, Jason Gwynne, who was posing as a BNP enthusiast, was covertly filming the speeches at a pub in Keighley, West Yorkshire.

I am pretty sure i would get sent to jail if i had said the above quote.

Perhaps you should. However, the jury found differently, perhaps that's why the CPS is pushing a re-trial.

At no point did Griffin actually say - "kill the infidel" etc. Which is why he walked. The meeting was a private one - not in public unlike al Hamsa et al

Having laws to allegedly prevent 'Religious Hate' is as wicked as it is absurd. It means only selected groups will be charged, and it further restricts our ability to state our thoughts openly. More money for the whole Race Relations Industry, particularly their lawyers. It is my long-held view that this country would be far better off without the Race Relations Board. Credit people of all colours and creeds with a little sense for once, as they certainly do not want or need this micromanaging of their lives.

I have an instinctive dislike of any infringement of free speech. However, curtailing the incendiary rhetoric of al Hamsa and Griffin might prevent (or make less likely) a nasty bloodbath on our streets. Sadly, common-sense is lacking in some.

A necessary evil I suspect at the moment.

Originally Posted by glyn

It is my long-held view that this country would be far better off without the Race Relations Board.

You have a race relations board? I thought only our country was that crazy

Originally Posted by parihaka

You have a race relations board? I thought only our country was that crazy

No, my fine fellow, lunacy is where WE are the world leaders! The Land of the Long White Cloud is one of the more down-to-earth and sensible countries on this planet.

Originally Posted by glyn

No, my fine fellow, lunacy is where WE are the world leaders! The Land of the Long White Cloud is one of the more down-to-earth and sensible countries on this planet.

HAH! You haven't been keeping track of some of the lunacy that gets introduced here. We too are afflicted by the white liberal guilt brigade.
Take myself for instance. As a Pakeha I am taxed to the hilt to in part provide billions of dollars compensation for past injustices to Maori.
As a Maori I am entitled, should I so desire, to claim SOME of that money back in the form of housing, educational scholarships, and preferential access to 'traditional' resources.
The vast bulk of the money however, goes into bureaucrats pockets.
The idea that I should instead simply keep my money and the bureaucrats should find something useful to do is of course heresy, and I am alternatively either a racist or uncle tom for suggesting it, depending on whether I am talking to a 'pure' Maori or 'pure' Pakeha. (very few of whom actually exist of course)

Originally Posted by dabong1

Two British National Party leaders stoked up racial hatred in an area of troubled community relations with speeches against jews, ethnic minorities and asylum seekers, a court heard yesterday.

judasim was derided by the far-right party's chairman, Nick Griffin, as "a wicked, vicious faith" while one of his deputies, Mark Collett, called asylum seekers "cockroaches" and urged cheering supporters to "show ethnics the door in 2004". Both told closed party meetings they would face trouble from the media or the law if they denounced the torah publicly or an alleged plan to destroy the white community. But they did not know that a BBC journalist, Jason Gwynne, who was posing as a BNP enthusiast, was covertly filming the speeches at a pub in Keighley, West Yorkshire.

I am pretty sure i would get sent to jail if i had said the above quote.

Then i think that would be unjust. It is pretty clear that what Griffin said was not racial hatred, in my opinion. Equally it wasn't pleasant. The truth is, however, that if you ban Griffin from saying the above you will give legitimacy to his case (because why else would we fear mere words?), you would not stop people saying it in private and you would not allow the world to see the calibre of thought that the BNP churns out.

The problem with freedom is people are free to be idiots. But in the past we have tried to gag purveyors of hate and it has made them the victim.

Originally Posted by Trooth

Then i think that would be unjust. It is pretty clear that what Griffin said was not racial hatred, in my opinion. Equally it wasn't pleasant. The truth is, however, that if you ban Griffin from saying the above you will give legitimacy to his case (because why else would we fear mere words?), you would not stop people saying it in private and you would not allow the world to see the calibre of thought that the BNP churns out.

The problem with freedom is people are free to be idiots. But in the past we have tried to gag purveyors of hate and it has made them the victim.

I agree with your opinion but is there a line that should not be crossed when we talk of freedom.What is that line if there is one.

"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."
- 19th-century Danish Christian philosopher Soren Kierkegaard

Originally Posted by PubFather

Perhaps you should. However, the jury found differently, perhaps that's why the CPS is pushing a re-trial.

At no point did Griffin actually say - "kill the infidel" etc. Which is why he walked. The meeting was a private one - not in public unlike al Hamsa et al

TWO Pendle men have appeared before Pennine magistrates accused of having "a master plan" after what is believed to be a record haul of chemicals used in making home-made bombs was found in Colne.
The 22 chemical components recovered by police are believed to be the largest haul ever found at a house in this country.
Cottage is an ex-BNP member who stood as a candidate in the Pendle Council elections in May.
She said a search of Jackson's home had uncovered rocket launchers, chemicals, BNP literature and a nuclear biological suit.
http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/ViewArt...icleID=1806619

I would think after the above article the BNP are a much more serious threat and if we can arrest people for intent to do terrorisim then nick griffin must be in the scale as mr hook hamza.