Right on Julie, we should have blew up a few of their bases.Originally Posted by Julie
Well we're tied to the mis-adventure that Iraq has become at the hip now.No, but I also remember they weren't the only ones to contend with that require our utmost attention.
If DPRK just detonated nukes and we did NOTHING, what makes you think it'll be any different in Iran?
No one- left or right- has the balls or the brains to do anything about any of them. My advice to you, buy some iodine tablets and a have a bombshelter built next to that pretty lake of yours.
What the HELL are you talking about? SANCTIONS?!?! THE IRAQ WAR, goddammmit! You know, one less of the Axis of Evil?!?! That was the point I made, and you begin talking about SANCTIONS?!?! Sanctions had nothing to do with Saddam, toppling of. An INVASION did it. And it did it with finality.
SANCTIONS?!?! You are absolutely, positively NOT equipped to discuss this subject. SANCTIONS?!?! No, INVASION! Iraq is off the enemy Order of Battle, and they're on OUR side now, and NO, sanctions had not a dam' thang to do with it!
What the HELL are you talking about?!?! SANCTIONS?!?!
Is your 'point' (such as it is) that sanctions didn't make the DPRK knuckle under? If so, YEAH, we NOTICED. Neither did giving away the store, which (and this was my OTHER point) happened under Clinton's oh-so-watchful eye.
DO YOU GET THIS: we are where we are re: the North Korean's nukes as a direct result of your idiot party's idiot policy of naively believing the promises of a communist dictator (that happens to be madder than a rat in a coffee can), and then giving him all he needed to 1) survive and 2) complete his nuclear weapons program? The first would be bad enough; but both dam' near qualifies as treason. It CERTAINLY qualifies as stupidity, and that was foreseen at the time; it didn't take most of us to catch on that we'd been taken to the cleaners. And the Democrats drove us there, because the Koreans were out of gas.
And you are even now -with benefit of hindsight, if you were but just clever enough to use it - eager to entrust the republic to their judgement and canniness AGAIN?
People like you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
Say goodbye to Seoul, possibly Tokyo.
Nope, not a good answer.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
With friends like these...
I don't live in either place.
I care about AMERICA. I dont give a shiit if us toppling DPRK kills 300k S.Koreans, to be quite honest.
From where i sit, it's just a number.
Why are you always so eager to make enemies out of allies?
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
You'd rather they were REAL enemies, like before?
They're killing terrorists. LOTS of 'em. And lots of 'em are dieing, too. And they're still coming. They're still in the field. Hell, we've suffered 2,500+ total killed, and we're on the verge of quitting. They're sucking up HUGE losses, and you're denigrating their friendship?
Not sure what you're looking for in an ally, Hoss, but I bet you'll never find it, especially when you're so willing to defend America to the last Iraqi, Korean, whatever.
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
Are you saying we should take unilateral military action against North Korea?
How do you suggest we do that? Should we start by bombing them? Then roll in the 1st Armor, 1st Infantry, and 4th Infantry from South Korea? Or should the entire campaign be from the air?
What is your plan to win the peace? How do you want our soldiers to deal with insurgency that is inevitable?
What reaction do you anticipate from the Chinese and the Russian when we have a couple divisions of crack troops at their border?
What if the French and the Germans disapprove our unilateral military action?
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
When your "ally" has all but given up and start killing each other.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Number 1 - It was said by this administration many times how Saddam had violated sanctions, and was used to justify the invasion. Number 2 the invasion has not resulted in what you call a "finality" by any twisted stretch of the imagination.
If you are that confused in that you have lost sight as to how we have come to be where we are at in Iraq, imagine how Americans feel? Very confused.
That's what's wrong with the US these days.
Why don't you have respect for ANY foreign nation?
Are you so deluded you don't understand what you've just said?
From where you sit?
NK will nuke where you sit if your not careful.
I hope you guys lose in Iraq, you need a wake up call, this world ain't yours.
And you think you're safe where you are? Who do you think the pan-islamic movement will go after next after US falls? Think they'll just stop there? No. They'll come after you guys in western Europe. It has already started. Look at France. Look at Britain. You're next.
We have been trying to maintain a sane world for the last 60 years. You don't want us to fail now.
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
and herein lies the problem: if america does not care about the rest of the world (past america's own interests), the rest of the world will find it hard to care for america (past their own interests).
one of the things that straight-up classical realists consistently fail to see (no matter if they are european or american) is that american strength lies far beyond hard power. the dictates of realism- balance of power theory- would state that everyone else in the world would be busy balancing against america.
this has not happened. europeans biiitch and moan, but that's all they're doing. in the end, the world works not so much on balance of power but on balance of threat. and in the end, threat is all about perceptions.
this is where diplomacy and soft power comes in.
The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
You have done a rubbish job at "keeping the world sane", losing war after war in countrys a fraction of your size.
When the US falls, the rest of us will learn to work with Islam.
We are not defenceless, and have more common sense than to invade the spiritual heartland of a religion such as that.
Look at your avatar man.
You think we in europe find that funny?
Your a joke which gained your position because of our bickering.
Enjoy your last 2-4 years in power, china will do better I'm sure.
If us taking out a nuke armed DPRK makes the S.Koreans our "enemies", then they were never our friends TO BEGIN WITH.
Why are you always so eager to continually spin your wheels to no useful end?
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