America's Pathetic Putin-Envy

**VovaLee** · 05 Oct 06,, 19:48

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

With the way that Russia blocks UN sanctions against Iran and North Korea because of their own interests I think there going to find it diffacult for the rest of the world to turn a blind eye to them terrorizing their own people.

We shall see.

But Iran and NK don't wanna joint to NATO.

**Dreadnought** · 05 Oct 06,, 20:07

Originally Posted by VovaLee

But Iran and NK don't wanna joint to NATO.

Yes and both threaten their neighbors with destruction and nuclear arms. As well as withold the very basic rights every single human is born with. Kim cant live forever. And Amje is only a puppet to the religious immams with a big mouth for taunting his own destruction nothing more nothing less.

I think you will find that come the bottom line the nuclear dispute with both countries will be resolved one way or another with or without the UN. No matter what Russia has to say about it.

**VovaLee** · 05 Oct 06,, 20:22

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Yes and both threaten their neighbors with destruction and nuclear arms. As well as withold the very basic rights every single human is born with. Kim cant live forever. And Amje is only a puppet to the religious immams with a big mouth for taunting his own destruction nothing more nothing less.

I think you will find that come the bottom line the nuclear dispute with both countries will be resolved one way or another with or without the UN. No matter what Russia has to say about it.

After wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Irak any country which have some problems with US wanna have nuclear arms.
They belive that nuclear arms can provide safety.

**Alex_Ivanov** · 05 Oct 06,, 23:02

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

the nuclear dispute with both countries will be resolved one way or another with or without the UN. No matter what Russia has to say about it.

We block sanctions, but other ways are open. I'd say more. I've got an impression that Russia blocks sanctions just to provoke "another" actions. I'm sure Russia in case of war won't even try to say something. In fact such resolving, for example, of Iran nuclear crisis, without UN, match our interests.
1. Iran losts possibility to build a-bomb. Nobody in right mind can say Iran with a-bomb isn't a headache for us. Good thing #1.
2. Iran ater war mines and sells less oil/gas. When one more major player on oil market is out of game, Russia is one step closer to monopoly, oil price is up and we get additional time to develop and diversify our economy. Good thing #2.
3. US has one more region to care about, so their possibility to interfere in other areas is further limited. Good thing #3.

And why should we protest? Come on, guys, bomb immams into stone age!

**Ironduke** · 07 Oct 06,, 00:26

Well, Russia did pay off its formerly enormous foreign debt on August 21.

**VovaLee** · 07 Oct 06,, 10:19

Originally Posted by Ironduke

Well, Russia did pay off its formerly enormous foreign debt on August 21.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook
USA
Public debt:
64.7% of GDP (2005 est.)

RUSSIA
Public debt:
12.9% of GDP (2005 est.)

But you have GDP $12,36 trillion, we have GDP $1.589 trillion only.

**Ironduke** · 04 Dec 06,, 23:52

One thing to keep in mind is that deficit spending is not altogether a bad thing.

For example, if an economy is in recession, and because of reduced revenues the government cuts spending to avoid debt, the economy will slide further into recession, and the cycle can be quite disastrous if continued.

**gunnut** · 05 Dec 06,, 20:28

America sucks, blah blah blah, Bush is evil, blah blah blah...

Did I sum up what the guy was saying? It was way too long and I just didn't want to spent more time on the same drivel from the left that I already know.

**dalem** · 05 Dec 06,, 22:42

Originally Posted by gunnut

America sucks, blah blah blah, Bush is evil, blah blah blah...

Did I sum up what the guy was saying? It was way too long and I just didn't want to spent more time on the same drivel from the left that I already know.

Yeah, a friend of mine recently sent me some Alternet thingie about Bush. I got about 1 sentence into it before I stopped. Same garbage, same ignorant and pointless vitriol. When I told her I wasn't going to read it I think I surprised her a little. I mean, what - have I been under a rock for the last 6 years and somehow missed how Bushitler & Co. are evil and stupid and clever and tricky and dumb and all the rest, according to the Lefty nutbags? Sheesh.

-dale

**glyn** · 06 Dec 06,, 10:15

Flag waving from either side impresses me not one jot.

**YellowFever** · 11 Dec 06,, 06:39

Originally Posted by glyn

Flag waving from either side impresses me not one jot.

The alternative is losing your national identity, which europe seems to want so much.
C'mon glyn, flaging waving can be a good thing...umm if one does not get carried away with it.

Or are you really suggesting that america has "Putin-envy"?

**glyn** · 11 Dec 06,, 19:06

Originally Posted by YellowFever

The alternative is losing your national identity, which europe seems to want so much.

Citizens of Europe can keep their national identity whilst still being part of Europe - in much the same way as a Texan (for example) can feel American.

C'mon glyn, flaging waving can be a good thing...umm if one does not get carried away with it.

True, a gentle flutter will suffice for me. I was actually referring to some of the posts that were strong on flag waving, but weaker on debating skills.

Or are you really suggesting that america has "Putin-envy"?

Ha ha!

**Ruskiy** · 11 Dec 06,, 20:45

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

True, The US has given billions to nations for the very same reason. Russia doesnt loose anything by sanctions. But in the big picture it looses part of its own back yard to Democracy and if it joins NATO then you may be looking at a NATO base there as well. So now who looses?

Russia is not loosing anyting, its even benefits: if war is going on they don't have to go far to destroy NATO units.

**Dreadnought** · 19 Dec 06,, 18:30

Originally Posted by Ruskiy

Russia is not loosing anyting, its even benefits: if war is going on they don't have to go far to destroy NATO units.

Thats alot easier said then done my friend.

**~~Fortudinae~~** · 19 Dec 06,, 21:34

Peter the Great said Russia's future laid with the West.

Sufficient while Sweden was the The Nazi of the Age. However no strategy is good forever.
Russia has all it needs in Siberia, but it isn't much use without WARM WATER PORTS.
Russia also has all China needs in Siberia.
Of course the Bear is looking at the Indian Ocean (and has for quite some time) so India-Pakistan -Afghanistan-Iran figure greatly in the recipe.
Then all of a sudden China has moon-eyes for the Burmese. What slick rascals.
The major player in that league is India, so don't count on any long-term winning streak, Russia and China.
Of course there is the oil - trying to corner the world market requires control of the Indian Ocean.
Of course no strategy is good forever, and especially here.
The US has a 1000 year supply of coal; when some greedy player runs the price of oil up to where coal gasification becomes cost effective, then the Indian Ocean gambit (and all who have invested their future in it) is in the toilet.
As for the author of the said article, brevity isn't just the soul of wit.