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    Unlike the UK and ME, Pakistani community in the States has stablished itself and its propering.

    Tuesday, August 22, 2006

    Half a million Pakistanis prospering in US

    By Khalid Hasan

    WASHINGTON: There are 500,000 Pakistanis living in the United States and they are prospering, according to a forthcoming book by Adil Najam, a young Pakistani academic at Tufts University, Boston.

    The mean household income in the United States in 2002 was $57,852 annually, while that for Asian households, which includes Pakistanis, was $70,047. By contrast, about one-fifth of young British-born Muslims are jobless, and many subsist on welfare, the book says.

    A report on the Pakistani community appearing in the New York Times on Monday notes, “Hard numbers on how many people of Pakistani descent live in the United States do not exist, but a forthcoming book from Harvard University Press on charitable donations among Pakistani-Americans, ‘Portrait of a Giving Community,’ puts the number around 500,000, with some 35 percent or more of them in the New York metropolitan area. Chicago has fewer than 100,000, while other significant clusters exist in California, Texas and Washington DC.”

    The newspaper report, filed from Chicago, describes in colourful terms a stretch of the sprawling city’s Devon Avenue, part of which is named for Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and part for Mahatma Gandhi. Comparing Pakistani-Americans with their British counterparts, the report quotes Nizam Arain, a lawyer of Pakistani descent who was born and who grew up in Chicago, “You don’t have the same siege mentality.” Asked whether terror cells like those found in Britain could also spring up here, Junaid Rana, an assistant professor at a local university, said, “It makes it sound like it couldn’t happen here because we are the good immigrants: hard-working, close-knit, educated. But we are talking about a cult mind-set, how a cult does its brainwashing.” Omer Mozaffar, a Pakistani-American working for a doctorate at the University of Chicago, stated, “You can keep the flavour of your ethnicity, but you are expected to become an American.”

    The newspaper quotes Pakistani poet, broadcaster and gay rights activist Ifti Nasim as saying that in Pakistan, his “flamboyance” would not be tolerated, but here he calls his acceptance “the litmus test of the society”. Like many, however, he has moments of doubt, saying, “Pakistani society in Chicago has made a smooth transition so far, but you never know”. Outward signs of religious devotion will arouse little suspicion in America compared with how they tend to be now viewed in Britain.

    However, a change would appear to have taken place because of recent accusations against Muslims of planning to stage terrorist acts in Europe and elsewhere. According to the New York Times report, “For the past eight years, Abdul Qadeer Sheikh, 46, has managed Islamic Books N Things on Devon Avenue, which sells items like Korans, prayer rugs and Arabic alphabet books. He says that since September 11, he has seen signs of the bias that has existed in Britain for decades developing here. He describes a distinctive fear of being seen as Muslim, even along Devon Avenue. Before, a good 70 percent of the women who came into his shop were veiled, he said. Now the reverse is true, and far fewer men wear traditional clothes.”

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-8-2006_pg7_12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    That means that the judgement is partisan.

    Therefore, where is the justice?
    Sir, it is important to remember that this is not necessarily true. The Supreme Court appointments have to be confirmed, and generally the legislature and executive branches are divided (so flaming liberals will have a difficult time getting in during liberal administrations and visa versa). Even in an administration where the president's party has control of both houses a nomination for the Supreme Court was still rejected. Therefore you generally get a nominee that may be of an overall liberal or conservative bent, but not outragously so (and if they are, then they are too respected for the other party to shoot down). And then you get Presidents like Eisenhower, who was a very non-partisan president.

    I believe they are Justices for Life.
    To prevent tampering by the existing political parties.

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    The last time I checked, there were no Pakistani-American leaders calling out for attacks on America. The last time I checked, there were a couple of Pakistanis in London-stan that were.
    This isn't to say that cultural and economic factors don't still play a role, but leadership in the community is, IMO, the most important item. If there are around 100,000 Pakistanis in Chicago, finding 9 disenfranchised youth isn't particularly hard, no matter how tolerant and prosperous the culture is. And putting them in a single mosque where terrorism is advocated is going to end up making terrorists. Given that those same Mosque leaders may be all too willing to provide safe haven (not a big leap of the imagination...the situation assumes they DO say "go kill infidles") and you have a decent chance of a terrorist attack in a couple years if intelligence agencies are sleeping on the job.

    Luckily, though, I don't know any of those VERY disenfranchised Pakistanis (or Muslims for that matter), and that's despite going to a high school with a sizable Muslim population AND attending the University of Illinois at Chicago. Most of them are like all young people. The girls care about clothing and boys, and the boys care about cars and girls.
    The only thing that does concern me, though, is that the Loose Change video is very popular...but, surprisingly, it seems more popular in the priviliged white kid group than the Muslim community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mich
    Pakistani community in USA is like any other Asian community in this country. they have their immigrant work ethic. It may be very difficult to Find Welfare recipients from this community
    I doubt you could even find a pakistani on welfare in the US.

    They are all very hard working people. Indians too for that matter.

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