Fatwa against singing Vande Mataram

**Garuda** · 18 Jun 06,, 18:18

Originally Posted by Ray

Great!

So the Hindu children should not sing Christian hymns in piblic school chapels!

Wrong analogy. Vande Mataram has nothing to do with Hinduism.

**Hogzilla** · 19 Jun 06,, 16:02

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

"Little things make big differences", PM me if you want to read that book by Malcom Gladwell.

LOL Sure, then the maulvi might as well protest against the Indian National Emblem/Symbol - Emperor Ashoka's four lions coz its associated with a Hindu turned Buddhist King, or the National Motto, the Sanskrit Slogan "Satyamev Jayate" that quite easily be connected to the Bhagvad Gita preaching "Only Truth Triumphs in the end" or even Gandhi's picture on the currency notes as he was a Hindu and his picture on numeruous notes might outweigh the struggle of muslims in the Independence of India and children might think only Hindu leaders were the real heroes

Why choose the National Song alone?!

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe fatwas are supposedly to educate Muslims on their religion and thats it? What we see here is a Mullah indirectly challenging the nation's integrity and questioning the constitution! lol All becoz he never bothered to lookup on the meaning of the words "Vande Mataram". He is fighting for secularism you claim? Well I doubt if he even bothered to find out what secularism means in the first place.

Someone made a very valid point earlier that this fatwa will be responsible for poisoning young minds, those who dont know anything about religions and religious politics, thats basically what the Mullah (Maulvi is a term used with respect yeah?) has done here.

His fatwa is sure to cause an epidemic. An epidemic that will do more harm than good to the people practising his religion and the people of the country he belongs to.

But for now, its only gonna help the communal divide deapen, and live on for generations to come.

**bull** · 14 Aug 06,, 08:46

Vande mataram..means "maa tujhe salaam" mother i bow to you

Asim took exception to the fact the Muslims dont bow to anything other than Allah/mecca,and hence shudnt be forced upon any muslims as it goes against their beliefs/relegion.

So what if i say.."Paksitan tujhe salaam" does it also hurt the feeling of the muslims!!!

**Ray** · 14 Aug 06,, 09:07

I don't wish to comment on Asim since he cannot defend himself.

Above contradiction is adequate.

**Ray** · 14 Aug 06,, 09:09

The fartwas have become useless in value as useless as counterfeit currency carried by terrorists.

**bull** · 14 Aug 06,, 10:24

he craeted so much of a noise regarding it.

I was wonderstruck when i saw the same words.."pakistan tujhe salaam" written on the banner of PFF.

**Gabru47** · 19 Aug 06,, 22:09

I think the Indian government is taking steps to revise the offending words of the song.

**Ray** · 20 Aug 06,, 06:42

Originally Posted by bull

he craeted so much of a noise regarding it.

I was wonderstruck when i saw the same words.."pakistan tujhe salaam" written on the banner of PFF.

That is the beauty of Islamists.

Hypocrisy is thy name.

Religion of Peace, but Violence is the signature of this peace loving religion!

**Hind-guy** · 20 Aug 06,, 16:38

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

And if you said no? Will you accept my punishment?

The students believe in "There is no one worthy of worship other than Allah and Mohammad is its messenger". The fundamental principle of being a Muslim, btw.

They're now told to worship their motherland too.

Because the student is being FORCED to say it.

I did and I also said how it has incorrectly been accepted by unintelligent interpretations as a Proper noun.

Not commonly.

I know so if someone smart argued, they'd probably win that argument too. Your state policy should be acceptable to ALL religious beliefs. The only way to do that is not to follow any of them.

"Little things make big differences", PM me if you want to read that book by Malcom Gladwell.

Mr Asim,
i am gratefull to god that not many indian muslims share your views or the so called mullahs / maulvi who claim to represent god on earth.....Just singing a song even if it has religious tone will not make you lose your religious identity neither you will be a less muslim.Just imagine if people of other religions too (as india as countless number of religion/tribal religion and so on)start demanding they too have the right to get their religious interpretion on Vande Mataram. What wil happen to a nation of 1 billion people?It will cease to exist as a nation. Is this what you want....

People like u are a liablity to any nation.You fellows want secular law when you are a miniority and a islamic law when you are a majority.You can fool some people all the time.You can fool all the people some time.Definately you cant fool all the people all the time.

**Tronic** · 20 Aug 06,, 16:56

Originally Posted by Hind-guy

People like u are a liablity to any nation.You fellows want secular law when you are a miniority and a islamic law when you are a majority.You can fool some people all the time.You can fool all the people some time.Definately you cant fool all the people all the time.

he is a Pakistani...

**Ray** · 20 Aug 06,, 18:28

He is a Paksitani settled in Dubai and he is a Rock band manager.

He has very strong views, but can be ambivalent as per the requirement. He is actually as docile as a pus sy cat slurping a bowl of milk.

Therefore, be gentle.

**~~veera8~~** · 20 Aug 06,, 18:43

Originally Posted by Hind-guy

Mr Asim,
You fellows want secular law when you are a miniority and a islamic law when you are a majority.Definately you cant fool all the people all the time.

you just stole words from my mouth ....those character are a typical islamic attitude ....Islam wants all other relgions to be a open society and even demands it ,but Islam by itself is very much closed to any intro spection ......

**Tronic** · 20 Aug 06,, 22:43

Originally Posted by veera8

Islam wants all other relgions to be a open society and even demands it

errmm... what???

**~~veera8~~** · 21 Aug 06,, 03:02

Originally Posted by Tronic

errmm... what???

i meant to say that islamist cant accept any other relgions ,where they cheerfully welcomes people getting converted to islam ,but death sentence from any one who wants to leave islam to some other relgions...

Musilms keep screeming abt secularism when they are in minority but the moment they turn into majority they demand sharia rule and start a blodd bath for a separate islamic country ......this is a universal islamic character ........

**stone_cold** · 21 Aug 06,, 04:59

'Vande Mataram anti-Islamic'

ALLAHABAD: The national song Vande Mataram is "against Islamic beliefs" and asking Muslims to sing it would amount to "suppression" of the community, Shahi Imam of Delhi's Jama Masjid Syed Ahmed Bukhari said on Sunday.

Addressing a press meet here, Bukhari, said according to the tenets of Islam, one could love one's country and even lay down one's life for it if the circumstances so demand. "But when it comes to worship, only Allah is given that honour.

A Muslim cannot worship his or her parents, motherland and even the Prophet though they are held in high esteem," he said, reacting to a Central directive to states for recitation of Vande Mataram in educational institutions during a celebration on Sep7 to mark the national song's centenary.

"Ever since independence, all governments at the Centre and in the states have been suppressing the Muslims. This proposal is yet another example," said Bukhari.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1910451.cms

Dont these mullahs ever get tired of whining. Even feminists dont complain so much.