Thread: Fatwa against singing Vande Mataram

Originally Posted by Adux

So Hindi is the answer,

For some reason this discussion has gone to language. But anyway since we are there....

For those feeling the need for a truly national language, technically speaking Hindi as it is spoken today is not even 100% Indian with its deep influence of persian-arabic influence brought about by the mughal/afghan invaders...unless you are speaking about "shuddha hindi". But how many even in north India actually speak shuddha hindi?

Infact when mushy speaks on tv theres hardly any difference with what one hears on the street.

Finally how many muslims and those accustomed to hindi language as spoken today will be ready to speak shuddha hindi?..how many hindi speaking hindus with ample love for India will be ready to take the pain?

If u really need a natioanal language why use a langauge with so much foerign influence especially in a country with no shortages of language or religion?


If India needs a national langauage no other language represents india truly as Sanskrit with its influence on all other language. It is truly the mother.

Finally since its slightly difficult for everyone to learn it it should truly show the love for everyone to their country and not just make it tough for someone to show their love.

Sanskrit needs to be the national language of India.

English the international language for conversing with people from other countries

Regional language for "mother tongue", telugu, chattisgarhi, bihari, bengali, hindi, tamil etc

3 language system. what say?

Hindi and Urdu
The term Urdu arose in 1645. Until then, and even after 1645, the term Hindi or Hindawi was used in a general sense for the dialects of central and northern India.

There are two fundamental distinctions between Standard Urdu and Standard Hindi that lead to their being recognised as distinct languages:

the source of borrowed vocabulary (Persian/Arabic for Urdu and Sanskrit for Hindi); and
the script used to write them in (for Urdu, an adaptation of the Perso-Arabic alphabet written in Nasta'liq style; for Hindi, an adaptation of the Devanagari script).

Colloquially and linguistically, the distinction between the Urdu and Hindi is nearly meaningless. This is true over much of the northern half of the Indian subcontinent, wherever neither learned vocabulary nor writing is used. Outside the Delhi dialect area, the term "Hindi" may be used in reference to the local dialect, which may be very different from both Hindi and Urdu.

The word Hindi has many different uses; confusion of these is one of the primary causes of debate about the identity of Urdu. These uses include:

standardized Hindi as taught in schools throughout India,
formal or official Hindi advocated by Purushottam Das Tandon and as instituted by the post-independence Indian government, heavily influenced by Sanskrit,
the vernacular nonstandard dialects of Hindustani/Hindi-Urdu as spoken throughout much of India and Pakistan, as discussed above,
the neutralized form of the language used in popular television and films, or
the more formal neutralized form of the language used in broadcast and print news reports.
The rubric "Hindi" is often used as a catch-all for those idioms in the North Indian dialect continuum that are not recognized as languages separate from the language of the Delhi region. Panjabi, Bihari, and Chhatisgarhi, while sometimes recognised as being distinct languages, are often considered dialects of Hindi. Many other local idioms, such as the Bhili languages, which do not have a distinct identity defined by an established literary tradition, are almost always considered dialects of Hindi. In other words, the boundaries of "Hindi" have little to do with mutual intelligibility, and instead depend on social perceptions of what constitutes a language.

The other use of the word "Hindi" is in reference to Standard Hindi, the Khari boli register of the Delhi dialect of Hindi (generally called Hindustani) with its direct loanwords from Sanskrit. Standard Urdu is also a standardized form of Hindustani. Such a state of affairs, with two standardized forms of what is essentially one language, is known as a diasystem.

Hindi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FYI...Urdu is also an official language in many states in India. Try and make first tens of millions not use the persian/arabic words then we can think of whether others should use it. Perhaps the ones speaking hindi and using those words itself need to justify whether they are speaking a language that is truly indian before forcing others.

language 101..what is the root of the word "Kitab"...used commonly in Hindi speaking areas to denote the word book and used by millions..instead of the word "Pustak"(which again is used by a few other million)?