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    President Hugo Chavez constantly warns Venezuelans a U.S. invasion is imminent.

    Now he’s begun training a civilian militia as well as the Venezuelan army to resist in the only way possible against a much better–equipped force: by taking to the hills and fighting a guerrilla war.

    Supporters of the president, a former paratroop commander, are increasingly taking up his call. Chavez wants 1 million armed men and women in the army reserve, and 150,000 have already joined, surpassing the regular military’s force of 100,000. Now Venezuelans are also organizing neighborhood–based militia units for Chavez’s Territorial Guard.

    Critics of Chavez say the real goal of the mobilization is to create the means to suppress internal dissent and defend his presidency at all costs. Thousands of Territorial Guard volunteers – housewives, students, construction workers – are undergoing training, earning US$7.45 (?6.08) per session.

    "We’re going to be a country of soldiers," declares Roberto Salazar, an unemployed 49–year–old, after scrambling under barbed wire, wading through a mud trench and skirting burning tires with other volunteers.

    Venezuela’s citizen–soldiers come mostly from the slums where Chavez draws his fiercest support. They train on weekends, learning how to handle assault rifles and run obstacle courses through clouds of tear gas.

    "Venezuelans need to know how to be military people so that we can defend our fatherland and our president," Salazar says.

    Chavez insists the plotters of a 2002 coup that briefly unseated him had Washington’s blessing. The United States quickly recognized the interim leaders; U.S. intelligence documents indicate the CIA knew dissident military officers were plotting against Chavez.

    Chavez now says all Venezuelans must be prepared for a "war of resistance," and has noted that the hills around Caracas provide excellent cover.

    "The U.S. empire threatens the survival of the human race," Chavez said Tuesday in a speech.

    "It’s a great battle that’s being fought in the whole world that obliges us to prepare ourselves," he said, citing poverty and hunger, the war in Iraq and U.S. threats against Iran. He called it a global struggle against an "empire that wants to enslave all of us."

    Venezuelan defense officials, meanwhile, say the country must prepare for "asymmetrical" war – military parlance for using non–conventional means against a traditional army.

    Venezuela’s army reserve has grown from 30,000 in 2004, says Gen. Alberto Muller Rojas, a top military adviser to Chavez.

    The reservists are to be issued some of the army’s older Belgian FAL assault rifles once Venezuela receives 100,000 new Kalashnikovs from Russia – approximately one for every regular soldier.

    U.S. officials express concern that Chavez could be trying to export revolution. Chavez calls that an invention, and says the weapons will be needed for the 1 million Venezuelans he wants to arm. The civilian militias will not be issued firearms but their commanders say weapons would be made available in an emergency.

    Critics also accuse Chavez of trying, Cuban–style, to consolidate power by assigning soldiers community tasks like serving as crossing guards and treating the poor in health clinics.

    "The military devotion to Chavez is one of two keys to Chavez’s survival. The other is the devotion of the poor," says Larry Birns of the Washington–based Council on Hemispheric Affairs. "It’s an act of desperation to form an armed civilian militia. He may have reached that point where he feels a faction of the military is untrustworthy."

    Rather than trying to topple Chavez with an invasion, it’s more likely Washington is trying to undermine him by courting potential rivals within the military, Birns says.

    Chavez has in turn sought to reward loyalty, granting handsome pay raises throughout the military. He expelled a U.S. military attache in February, accusing him of espionage. Washington expelled a Venezuelan diplomat in retaliation and has denied any attempts to overthrow Chavez.

    In a recent interview, U.S. Ambassador William Brownfield resisted making judgments about the reserve force.

    It’s up to Venezuela’s government and people to decide "how big a reserve force they want, what sort of chain of command they believe this reserve force should have, whether this reserve force should in fact be located in each and every block or town or village throughout the country," Brownfield said.

    Chavez reminds his people the United States invaded Grenada and Panama to topple regimes it considered hostile. In both cases, resistance quickly crumbled.

    Cuba’s defeat of a CIA–trained force at the Bay of Pigs in 1961 is the model Chavez wants to follow.

    Chavez marked that battle’s 45th anniversary on Tuesday, appearing with Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque and describing the 2002 coup attempt as Venezuela’s own Bay of Pigs. Chavez said his military had detected a U.S. aircraft carrier and submarines off the coast and U.S. planes and helicopters over land at the time. And he criticized U.S. naval exercises in the Caribbean this month as another threat to both Venezuela and Cuba.

    "We aren’t afraid of them, and if they decide to return we’re going to defeat them," he said.

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    This is why people don't like you guys, with you it's all my way or the high way.
    This ugy is of no direct threat to you, but because you don't like his ideals you present yourself aggresively towards him. That sh!t is gonna backfire one day in South America for you as it has in the middle east, witha country full of Latino's it's not going to be pretty either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum786
    This is why people don't like you guys, with you it's all my way or the high way.
    This ugy is of no direct threat to you, but because you don't like his ideals you present yourself aggresively towards him. That sh!t is gonna backfire one day in South America for you as it has in the middle east, witha country full of Latino's it's not going to be pretty either.
    Aren't we quite the troll today.
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    Threat? Well, maybe, maybe not. Sitting, as he does, on top of vast oil reserves, instability in his country, regardless of the source (invasion or bombast), is a real threat to oil prices for the entire world.

    I really doubt we'd move against him. The last thing the world needs is greater instability in oil producing nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum786
    This is why people don't like you guys, with you it's all my way or the high way.
    This ugy is of no direct threat to you, but because you don't like his ideals you present yourself aggresively towards him. That sh!t is gonna backfire one day in South America for you as it has in the middle east, witha country full of Latino's it's not going to be pretty either.
    Where did this invective come from? Chavez is insane and/or simply using his rhetoric to increase his power at home. No one in this country would lift a finger to harm Venezuela in any way, let alone support some fanciful invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem
    Where did this invective come from? Chavez is insane and/or simply using his rhetoric to increase his power at home. No one in this country would lift a finger to harm Venezuela in any way, let alone support some fanciful invasion.

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    For all the rhetoric as long as Chavez keeps the oil flowing the US could care less what he does. Even he cuts of the oil or starts exporting communism, then he'll wake up to find the 82nd Airborne on his front porch.
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    now you see if it's his oil, why the problem???

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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum786
    now you see if it's his oil, why the problem???
    It's not his oil, it's Venezuela's oil and the cornerstone of their economy. Besides cutting oil shipmmetns could be interpetated as an attack on the US economy and an act of war. Chavez is a moron but he knows his band of thugs would be crushed in a war with any real military and so he's all bluster.
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    Is he arming them with butter cookies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum786
    now you see if it's his oil, why the problem???
    Selling oil to the US, or to China for that matter, is having a tiger by the tail. You're just fine, so long as you never try to let go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum786
    This is why people don't like you guys, with you it's all my way or the high way.
    This ugy is of no direct threat to you, but because you don't like his ideals you present yourself aggresively towards him. That sh!t is gonna backfire one day in South America for you as it has in the middle east, witha country full of Latino's it's not going to be pretty either.
    Are you stupid or just pretending to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by troung
    President Hugo Chavez constantly warns Venezuelans a U.S. invasion is imminent.
    Lol, Chavez is quite the comedian.

    Yeah, all our media outlets are just abuzz with the imminent invasion....We're all stocking up on staples, lol.

    Chavez needs the US as an enemy (or at least the impression of an enemy) to maintain his grip on power. The funny thing is, Americans don't give this little tin horn dictator a second thought....

    Let him rant. We need the comic relief.
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    Why invade? His own people are going to get sick of him sooner rather than later. Besides, I think he went to the same PR school as Baghdad Bob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut
    Are you stupid or just pretending to be?
    i get the distinct impression that America wants to invade his country...

    looking like a misconception right now...

    Wraith601, as the leader of Venuezala he's entitled to make that decision isn't he? asssume he wanted twice as much for it and you refused to pay...why can't he cut it off, afterall you can buy it from elsewhere, he is not in a contract to sell you oil forever is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum786
    i get the distinct impression that America wants to invade his country...
    Then you need to check your meds because it's a ridiculous impression.

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