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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahsan911
    When you translate, lot of confusion occurs, lot of mistakes occurs, the meaning gets changed, thats why its known that DONOT read quran in a translated language rather understand or learn arabic by yourself!
    I don't buy this, either. Unless you learn another language to the point of proficiency, you'll still be translating words internally instead of just understanding as you do with your native tongue. With the several accepted translations of the Quran in English, there is no way that you will have a consensus of completely inaccurate translations to the point that the consensus meaning is utterly wrong. However, some words are more precise and some are less precise, and the issue lies with the ability to take less precise words and make them fit outside of the true context as Insomniac has tried in his "racism" case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahsan911
    Also please note that lot of sites on the internet regarding Islam are pure propaganda nowadays.
    Turnabout is fair play. It's not as if Islamic author's havn't unfairly demonized the Joo's for centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum786
    well duh...lol

    obviously people get freaked by that....but then you have other people like the person who actaully made the content within the first post, who are guilty of trying to spread just that.

    I'm not saying the poster is a hater, but if he copied that from another site, the person who put it on that site is. You can get huge huge misinterpretations of religions, i got an anti bible basher kit at home which i was given by some guy....which has a lutherian or summat bible in it and it refers to incest as wide spread within christianity....that's not normal...i know that but again i only know that because i try to find out.
    Well i hope you understand now why the Joo's get so pissed. Islamic author's have been utterly demonizing the joo's for centuries, but especially since Israel's founding in 1947.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim Aquil
    not to mention pedophilia as mentioned by the Bible in abundance.

    It's easy to play holier than thou. Where'd Insomniac go?
    Who gives a crap. It's like i told you when you started PM'ing me your nursery rhymes about how Mecca was invincible to infidel attack.

    All of it is voodoo fairy tales.

    Xtianity, Buddhism, Judiasm, Islam, Scientology......crap....all of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    All religion is VOODOO if you ask me.

    A dual-role crutch as well as mind control for the weak and hapless masses.

    THAT'S what i think.
    I'm not as poo poo on religion as this; however, I find that many people treat religion as the end itself, i.e. I am Christian, ergo, I am good. I am Muslim, ergo, I am good. I am Jewish, ergo, I am good. etc. etc. For me, religion is a means to the end of being a good person.

    For example, when I was getting married, my wife wanted to have the wedding in Old Town Alexandria. She got the name and number of the head priest at one of the churches through the secretary, and when she called him, the guy was a complete a$$. He may have been a man of the cloth, but he was a bigger dick than I have ever met in the military, where it's much more possible to be a tyrannical prick and get away with it (however, you tend not to be successful since your subordinates will do exactly what you tell them, and nothing else ).

    So, I would tend to agree with Snipe in the sense that some use religion as an opiate instead of as an example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim Aquil
    W #1 God is not Jesus. Jesus is a Prophet.
    That's in judiasm.

    In Xtianity Jesus is god, and along with the holy father and mother forms the holy trinity.

    It's a bunch of crap if ya ask me........but i don't much care much because Xtians do not go around blowing up/cutting heads off people- well, at least not the VAST majority of the time.

    Even though i think religion is goobledygook i do not begrudge anyone their beliefs as long as they have a "live and let live" attitude.

    Muslims(and born again Xtians) both seem to have a BIG problem with "live and let live".

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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    Turnabout is fair play. It's not as if Islamic author's havn't unfairly demonized the Joo's for centuries.
    I prefer Adam Sandler songs about the Joos.
    "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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    All of this is irrelevant. Whatever we may make of the Koran, its scholars seem to know exactly what it says. And it seems to be dangerous.

    For instance: apparently, the people that know the Koran best say that it is a capital offense to blaspheme Allah OR his prophet. Ask Salman Rushdie if it has been some silly mis-interpretation that has forced him to live a virtually underground life since he wrote his book. Or ask whether a poor understanding by Afghanistan's clerical class almost killed a convert to one of the other great fictional faiths.

    No. The guys that have literally spent a lifetime studying their book would probably be the best authorities on what it actually calls for. They seem to be in no doubt whatsoever that any threat posed by alternative beliefs or ridicule must be destroyed, until we're all a bunch of zealots and robots, just like they are.

    And what it calls for in too many cases is the death that some mortal man or another that might represent a threat poses to this insane legend and the mythology that surrounds the entire rotten structure that these scholars revere.

    Islam is fiction; so is Christianity, so is Buddhism and Hinduism and all the other matters of faith that can only be 'felt', never observed.

    But the big difference is...Islam is a fiction that fights to preserve itself.
    "The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
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    Is religion the only topic left to discuss?
    Nisaar main teri galiyon pe aaye watan, ke jahan
    Chali hai rasm keh koi na sar utha keh chaley

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    Quote Originally Posted by shek
    I prefer Adam Sandler songs about the Joos.
    LOL, straight up.

    His wisdom wrt joo's, Chunakuh, and turkeys is second to none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman
    All of this is irrelevant. Whatever we may make of the Koran, its scholars seem to know exactly what it says. And it seems to be dangerous.

    For instance: apparently, the people that know the Koran best say that it is a capital offense to blaspheme Allah OR his prophet. Ask Salman Rushdie if it has been some silly mis-interpretation that has forced him to live a virtually underground life since he wrote his book. Or ask whether a poor understanding by Afghanistan's clerical class almost killed a convert to one of the other great fictional faiths.

    No. The guys that have literally spent a lifetime studying their book would probably be the best authorities on what it actually calls for. They seem to be in no doubt whatsoever that any threat posed by alternative beliefs or ridicule must be destroyed, until we're all a bunch of zealots and robots, just like they are.

    And what it calls for in too many cases is the death that some mortal man or another that might represent a threat poses to this insane legend and the mythology that surrounds the entire rotten structure that these scholars revere.

    Islam is fiction; so is Christianity, so is Buddhism and Hinduism and all the other matters of faith that can only be 'felt', never observed.

    But the big difference is...Islam is a fiction that fights to preserve itself.

    I really do agree with that assessment (and i'll apply it to ANY religion that it so fits).

    Religious KooLAiD is the strongest and most dangerous of all...

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    i have studied my religion all my life too....aving a peice of paper declaring so does not make one more educated tha another....

    mind you i'm only 21...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman
    I asked for the answer to two questions back in this thread, and never received an answer.

    I'll ask again:

    Am I inferior to a Muslim because I'm not one myself?

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    Are females of lesser value than males to Allah?

    Then, square the answer with relevant references to the Koran.

    My opinion of Islam is that it's intolerant and primitive, chauvanistic and aggressive. It's a dangerous cult that celebrates death.

    Until it is reformed fundamentally and respects the rights of individuals, it must be seen as at least as inimical to human progress as any other backward-looking, bigoted and sociopathic 'ism' we've ever had to fight against.
    Blue,
    If you'd like, when I'm done with it, I can post my final paper for my Islamic Law class on "Women's Rights and Iraqi Constitution." What is interesting about this topic is that Islam was actually very progressive for women at the time, giving them rights that they never had and elevating their status as property for which the father received payment at marriage to a person, all be it of lesser value than man as demonstrated by the double inheritance, double witness, and double compensation rules. Add to that a patriarichal society that has dominated the juristic history, and you have traditions that stand as a regressive example when compared to the strides women have made in modernity.
    Last edited by Shek; 21 Apr 06, at 17:08.
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    I believe in a god.

    Beyond that...it's all beyond man's undertanding IMO.

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    I request all of you to avoid such topics.

    Ofcourse its meant to malign Islam.

    Any topic of this sort would have the same response. Why not start My opinion of Christianity or Hinduism etc

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