Shek

I don't buy this, either. Unless you learn another language to the point of proficiency, you'll still be translating words internally instead of just understanding as you do with your native tongue. With the several accepted translations of the Quran in English, there is no way that you will have a consensus of completely inaccurate translations to the point that the consensus meaning is utterly wrong. However, some words are more precise and some are less precise, and the issue lies with the ability to take less precise words and make them fit outside of the true context as Insomniac has tried in his "racism" case.

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Anon

Turnabout is fair play. It's not as if Islamic author's havn't unfairly demonized the Joo's for centuries.

Anon

Well i hope you understand now why the Joo's get so pissed. Islamic author's have been utterly demonizing the joo's for centuries, but especially since Israel's founding in 1947.

Anon

Who gives a crap. It's like i told you when you started PM'ing me your nursery rhymes about how Mecca was invincible to infidel attack.

All of it is voodoo fairy tales.

Xtianity, Buddhism, Judiasm, Islam, Scientology......crap....all of it.

Shek

I'm not as poo poo on religion as this; however, I find that many people treat religion as the end itself, i.e. I am Christian, ergo, I am good. I am Muslim, ergo, I am good. I am Jewish, ergo, I am good. etc. etc. For me, religion is a means to the end of being a good person.

For example, when I was getting married, my wife wanted to have the wedding in Old Town Alexandria. She got the name and number of the head priest at one of the churches through the secretary, and when she called him, the guy was a complete a$$. He may have been a man of the cloth, but he was a bigger dick than I have ever met in the military, where it's much more possible to be a tyrannical prick and get away with it (however, you tend not to be successful since your subordinates will do exactly what you tell them, and nothing else ).

So, I would tend to agree with Snipe in the sense that some use religion as an opiate instead of as an example.

Anon

That's in judiasm.

In Xtianity Jesus is god, and along with the holy father and mother forms the holy trinity.

It's a bunch of crap if ya ask me........but i don't much care much because Xtians do not go around blowing up/cutting heads off people- well, at least not the VAST majority of the time.

Even though i think religion is goobledygook i do not begrudge anyone their beliefs as long as they have a "live and let live" attitude.

Muslims(and born again Xtians) both seem to have a BIG problem with "live and let live".

Shek

I prefer Adam Sandler songs about the Joos.

Bluesman

All of this is irrelevant. Whatever we may make of the Koran, its scholars seem to know exactly what it says. And it seems to be dangerous.

For instance: apparently, the people that know the Koran best say that it is a capital offense to blaspheme Allah OR his prophet. Ask Salman Rushdie if it has been some silly mis-interpretation that has forced him to live a virtually underground life since he wrote his book. Or ask whether a poor understanding by Afghanistan's clerical class almost killed a convert to one of the other great fictional faiths.

No. The guys that have literally spent a lifetime studying their book would probably be the best authorities on what it actually calls for. They seem to be in no doubt whatsoever that any threat posed by alternative beliefs or ridicule must be destroyed, until we're all a bunch of zealots and robots, just like they are.

And what it calls for in too many cases is the death that some mortal man or another that might represent a threat poses to this insane legend and the mythology that surrounds the entire rotten structure that these scholars revere.

Islam is fiction; so is Christianity, so is Buddhism and Hinduism and all the other matters of faith that can only be 'felt', never observed.

But the big difference is...Islam is a fiction that fights to preserve itself.

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Lahori paa jee

Is religion the only topic left to discuss?

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Anon

LOL, straight up.

His wisdom wrt joo's, Chunakuh, and turkeys is second to none.

Anon

I really do agree with that assessment (and i'll apply it to ANY religion that it so fits).

Religious KooLAiD is the strongest and most dangerous of all...

platinum786

i have studied my religion all my life too....aving a peice of paper declaring so does not make one more educated tha another....

mind you i'm only 21...

Shek

Blue,
If you'd like, when I'm done with it, I can post my final paper for my Islamic Law class on "Women's Rights and Iraqi Constitution." What is interesting about this topic is that Islam was actually very progressive for women at the time, giving them rights that they never had and elevating their status as property for which the father received payment at marriage to a person, all be it of lesser value than man as demonstrated by the double inheritance, double witness, and double compensation rules. Add to that a patriarichal society that has dominated the juristic history, and you have traditions that stand as a regressive example when compared to the strides women have made in modernity.

Anon

I believe in a god.

Beyond that...it's all beyond man's undertanding IMO.

Lahori paa jee

I request all of you to avoid such topics.

Ofcourse its meant to malign Islam.

Any topic of this sort would have the same response. Why not start My opinion of Christianity or Hinduism etc