Thread: My Opinion of Islam

exactly, but are the references correct, are the inpretations to those references correct?

those questions should be asked before assumptions made.

According to the Christian bible, Jesus demanded his Prophets to massacre and kill.

Ezekiel 21
3 and say to her: 'This is what the LORD says: I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked.
4 Because I am going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north.
5 Then all people will know that I the LORD have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again.'

The bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men and women.

Where's your opinion on Christianity thread in whichever section you may please?

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Show me where in the Quran it says to kill innocent children?

And if you really are going to compare Islam with Christianity then check this out:

2 Kings 2
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD . Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

In the city of Al-Ta'if, the pagans there had their own children throw rocks on the Prophet until his face and body were swollen and bleeding. The Prophet peace be upon him prayed for the people of Al-Ta'if to be Guided to Islam. And ultimately they were.

Well according to my belief (which helps the Christians) that those aren't the words of God. #1 God is not Jesus. Jesus is a Prophet. And the books have obviously been heavily modified.

Such rampant killing and fondling with "young beauties" type quotes get into these books b ecause 1000 years ago that was considered cool. And mentioning that even the Prophets did that, was a sort of glorification. They must've added it without thinking what would 21st century people think of them.

Originally Posted by JBodnar39

Originally Posted by Insomniac

My opinion: Islam is one of, if not, the most violent provoking religion on the face of this earth.

There, I said it.

Very interesting reading. My opinion is on line with yours. To each their own, but from what I do know it seems that Muhammed and Jesus had different messages. Jesus offered a choice - choose me or not, its up to you; turn your cheek; love your fellow man. Muhammed seemed to be trying to implement a lot of rules simply to ensure that everyone danced to the song that he played: ie no alchohol; degredation of women; killing non Muslims; praying to Meccas so many times a day, ect., ect, ect.

If I am wrong someone please correct me

J,
Insomniac has compiled his information using sites that have some very questionable information. If you notice, most of the citations he uses are a single verse, and if you go and look at the surrounding verses for many of these citations, then a different meaning appears. He also uses translations that most suit his thesis. Here's just one example:

Originally Posted by Insomniac

3:106,107 “On the day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieve ye after you (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieve.”

The FBI uses the following translation by Yusuf Ali:

Originally Posted by YUSUFALI

On the Day when some faces will be (lit up with) white, and some faces will be (in the gloom of) black: To those whose faces will be black, (will be said): "Did ye reject Faith after accepting it? Taste then the penalty for rejecting Faith."

If you read the surrounding verses, it becomes clear that this section is exactly analogous to judgement day, with the context of white/light being good and black/darkness being evil. Yet, he wants you to completely deny this and instead see this as racism.

He also fails to mention the context of his raisin head comment; here's the tradition:

The Prophet said, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if an Ethiopian whose head is like a raisin were made your chief."

So, you have an Arab telling his followers that it doesn't matter if a non-Arab is their leader - their duty is to obey him. Hardly a message a racism, which counsels others to believe in the unquestioned superiority of their own race. In fact, the message is the opposite, and the more "racist" that the "raisin head" comment is, then the more powerful the anti-racist message of Mohammed is. It is a self-defeating argument that Insomniac is making.

You can look at all the other comments in the Pub section (this was a double posted thread) that expose numerous other flaws in Insomniac's argument and read through a lenghty discussion of his attempt indict all of Islam in his "True Islam" thread in the Middle East section, where he also conducts lengthy cut and paste arguments from questionable sites.

In the end, Insomniac can't reconcile why his version of Islam is followed by so few in the Islamic world except the Salafist jihads that make up probably less than 1% of the Muslim population.

This 1% cannot go unchecked, but unlike Insomniac, don't confuse ideology with religion, and it's best to analyze events through the lens of multiple determinants instead of boiling problems down to just religion in an oversimplification.

On the issue of Islam's conformity with Science, you'd find more matters in relation with science than not. The one's that don't could probably be mis-understood. Anyway, The Quran never claims to be a book of science. Never. It is claimed to be a book that'll remain relevant.