Asim Aquil

Just a theory. Nothing more.

Too long a post to go through entirely but so far it seems like all of these posts have been rebutted like a gazllion times already. Insomniac's only just jumping onto the scene.

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Anon

OMFG, LOL!!!

platinum786

Sniper all this evidence is reputed because the source was a single man who was found to be losing his marbles.

Anon

You've got to admit to someone with no more than a passing familiarity with Islam/Muslims or the WOT that hears/sees that kind of shiit tends to get freaked out by it.

Gonna need to get past this sort of stuff if we're to avert an eventual clash o' the civilizations. Of course you're exactly the sort of non-crazy muslim that should be very effective at spreading that message. You seem to be uniquely calm and well reasoned among your people...LOL.

platinum786

well duh...lol

obviously people get freaked by that....but then you have other people like the person who actaully made the content within the first post, who are guilty of trying to spread just that.

I'm not saying the poster is a hater, but if he copied that from another site, the person who put it on that site is. You can get huge huge misinterpretations of religions, i got an anti bible basher kit at home which i was given by some guy....which has a lutherian or summat bible in it and it refers to incest as wide spread within christianity....that's not normal...i know that but again i only know that because i try to find out.

Asim Aquil

not to mention pedophilia as mentioned by the Bible in abundance.

It's easy to play holier than thou. Where'd Insomniac go?

JBodnar39

My opinion: Islam is one of, if not, the most violent provoking religion on the face of this earth.

There, I said it.[/quote]


Very interesting reading. My opinion is on line with yours. To each their own, but from what I do know it seems that Muhammed and Jesus had different messages. Jesus offered a choice - choose me or not, its up to you; turn your cheek; love your fellow man. Muhammed seemed to be trying to implement a lot of rules simply to ensure that everyone danced to the song that he played: ie no alchohol; degredation of women; killing non Muslims; praying to Meccas so many times a day, ect., ect, ect.

If I am wrong someone please correct me

platinum786

exactly, but are the references correct, are the inpretations to those references correct?

those questions should be asked before assumptions made.

Asim Aquil

According to the Christian bible, Jesus demanded his Prophets to massacre and kill.

The bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men and women.

Where's your opinion on Christianity thread in whichever section you may please?

Show me where in the Quran it says to kill innocent children?

And if you really are going to compare Islam with Christianity then check this out:
In the city of Al-Ta'if, the pagans there had their own children throw rocks on the Prophet until his face and body were swollen and bleeding. The Prophet peace be upon him prayed for the people of Al-Ta'if to be Guided to Islam. And ultimately they were.

Asim Aquil

Well according to my belief (which helps the Christians) that those aren't the words of God. #1 God is not Jesus. Jesus is a Prophet. And the books have obviously been heavily modified.

Such rampant killing and fondling with "young beauties" type quotes get into these books b ecause 1000 years ago that was considered cool. And mentioning that even the Prophets did that, was a sort of glorification. They must've added it without thinking what would 21st century people think of them.

Shek

J,
Insomniac has compiled his information using sites that have some very questionable information. If you notice, most of the citations he uses are a single verse, and if you go and look at the surrounding verses for many of these citations, then a different meaning appears. He also uses translations that most suit his thesis. Here's just one example:

The FBI uses the following translation by Yusuf Ali:

If you read the surrounding verses, it becomes clear that this section is exactly analogous to judgement day, with the context of white/light being good and black/darkness being evil. Yet, he wants you to completely deny this and instead see this as racism.

He also fails to mention the context of his raisin head comment; here's the tradition:

So, you have an Arab telling his followers that it doesn't matter if a non-Arab is their leader - their duty is to obey him. Hardly a message a racism, which counsels others to believe in the unquestioned superiority of their own race. In fact, the message is the opposite, and the more "racist" that the "raisin head" comment is, then the more powerful the anti-racist message of Mohammed is. It is a self-defeating argument that Insomniac is making.

You can look at all the other comments in the Pub section (this was a double posted thread) that expose numerous other flaws in Insomniac's argument and read through a lenghty discussion of his attempt indict all of Islam in his "True Islam" thread in the Middle East section, where he also conducts lengthy cut and paste arguments from questionable sites.

In the end, Insomniac can't reconcile why his version of Islam is followed by so few in the Islamic world except the Salafist jihads that make up probably less than 1% of the Muslim population.

This 1% cannot go unchecked, but unlike Insomniac, don't confuse ideology with religion, and it's best to analyze events through the lens of multiple determinants instead of boiling problems down to just religion in an oversimplification.

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Asim Aquil

On the issue of Islam's conformity with Science, you'd find more matters in relation with science than not. The one's that don't could probably be mis-understood. Anyway, The Quran never claims to be a book of science. Never. It is claimed to be a book that'll remain relevant.

Ahsan911

When you translate, lot of confusion occurs, lot of mistakes occurs, the meaning gets changed, thats why its known that DONOT read quran in a translated language rather understand or learn arabic by yourself!

Also please note that lot of sites on the internet regarding Islam are pure propaganda nowadays. I receive forwards emails by many people that these things are being done by anti-Islamic people, creating a site and writing your opinion on it or change it whatever you like is an easy work. Those who do this will surely get a treat in the HELL!

Bluesman

I asked for the answer to two questions back in this thread, and never received an answer.

I'll ask again:

Am I inferior to a Muslim because I'm not one myself?

AND

Are females of lesser value than males to Allah?

Then, square the answer with relevant references to the Koran.

My opinion of Islam is that it's intolerant and primitive, chauvanistic and aggressive. It's a dangerous cult that celebrates death.

Until it is reformed fundamentally and respects the rights of individuals, it must be seen as at least as inimical to human progress as any other backward-looking, bigoted and sociopathic 'ism' we've ever had to fight against.

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Anon

All religion is VOODOO if you ask me.

A dual-role crutch as well as mind control for the weak and hapless masses.

THAT'S what i think.