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    Human rights and conversion

    Thursday, April 20, 2006 E-Mail this article to a friend Printer Friendly Version

    COMMENT: Human rights and conversion — Ijaz Hussain

    Gamal al Banna suggests that the reason for the bigoted view on apostasy is political. He thinks that the classical interpretation was formulated at a time of state building when conformity and social cohesion were deemed more important than personal freedom. Given the demands of the contemporary world where human rights occupy centre stage, he thinks that the interpretation is obsolete

    Other Muslim jurists, whose interpretation of history of the issue is different from that of Sachedina, too, have tried to establish a liberal paradigm. Prof Abdelmouti Bayoumi of the Islamic Research Academy of Cairo believes, for example, that the hadith on which the punishment for apostasy is based is circumscribed by another hadith according to which changing one’s religion alone is not a sufficient cause for capital punishment. In his opinion, to be liable for trial and execution the apostate has also to be found working against the interests of the Muslim society or nation.

    Gamal al Banna, an Islamic thinker and brother of Hasan al Banna, the founder of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, suggests that the reason for the bigoted view on apostasy is political and has nothing to do with Quran itself. He thinks that the classical interpretation, which is more than 1,000 years old, was formulated at a time of state building when conformity and social cohesion were deemed more important than personal freedom. Given the demands of the contemporary world where human rights occupy centre stage, he thinks that the interpretation is obsolete.

    This brings us to the external contradiction. It has arisen from the obligations undertaken by Muslim states under international human rights instruments. It was primarily this contradiction, rather than the internal one that catapulted the conversion issue onto the international stage. Had this not been the case, the issue may have been left to Afghanistan to handle as its internal matter. Let’s examine the basis of this contradiction.

    A number of international human rights instruments enshrine the freedom of religion including the right to conversion. The first instrument in this regard is the Universal Declaration whose Article 18 states: “Everyone has the freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others in public or in private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance”. The next one is the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights whose Article 18, Paragraph 2 provides: “No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice”. Article 26 of the Covenant reinforces the stipulation on freedom of religion by guaranteeing equal protection of law against any form of discrimination “on any ground such as race,... sex,... [or] religion”.

    The last relevant instrument is the United Nations’ Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief whose Article 8 stipulates that the right to choose and change one’s religion, contained in the Universal Declaration and the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, is binding. Furthermore, Article 2 adds new stipulations which are as follows: “1) No one shall be subject to discrimination by any state, institution, group of persons or person on grounds of religion or other belief. 2) For the purposes of the present Declaration, the expression “intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief” means any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on religion or belief and having as its purpose or as its effect nullification or impairment of the recognition, enjoyment or exercise of human rights and fundamental freedom on an equal basis”.

    It can be argued that Muslim states should withdraw from these human rights instruments so that the dilemma disappears. This, however, is not possible because human rights, including the freedom to convert, are no longer considered an exclusively domestic matter of a state. Of course, not long ago human rights were deemed an internal affair of a state. However, over the past decades there has been a paradigm shift in this regard.

    Currently all states are deemed to possess a legal rather than a mere moral interest in the protection of human rights. This was recognised by the World Court in 1970 in the well-known Barcelona Traction case. The court also acknowledged human rights obligations as having an erga omnes character.

    Nor does the matter end there. In cases of gross and systematic violations of human rights, such as genocidal situations, the international community now has the right of intervention on humanitarian grounds baptised as the “responsibility to protect”.

    Thus the world of Islam suffers from a serious problem of relating to the contemporary world. It goes without saying that the international community is not going to change to accommodate the Muslims. The twin facts that the balance of force today is stacked against the world of Islam and that it simply cannot afford to live in isolation signify the need for it to transform itself. The key to such a transformation lies in educating the society. This objective can only be achieved by bringing all stakeholders on board. The most difficult task in this regard is to convince those who reject the objective as “secularist agenda” that it is indispensable for the progress of the world of Islam. Here and there one does come across half-hearted attempts in this direction. However, there is no serious and sustained effort to change the mindset. The outcome of battle for the soul of Islam will depend on how soon and to what extent we are able to influence those hostile to the idea.

    This is the concluding article in a two-part series. The first part was published on Wednesday April 19, 2006. The writer, a former dean of social sciences at the Quaid-i-Azam University, is an independent political and legal analyst
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    Wednesday, April 19, 2006 E-Mail this article to a friend Printer Friendly Version

    COMMENT: Conversion controversy: case for a liberal paradigm — Ijaz Hussain

    The apostasy issue goes back to the early history of Islam when following the death of the Prophet (PBUH) a number of Arab tribes refused to honour the agreement to pay zakat. Abu Bakr, who had succeeded the Prophet (PBUH) as head of the community, sent his army against the tribes and crushed their revolt

    No issue has exposed like the matter of conversion the contradictions from which the juristic interpretation of contemporary Islam suffers. These contradictions are both internal and external in character. The internal one is couched in these terms: on one hand, Quran proclaims that there is no compulsion in religion and on the other the sharia prescribes death for an apostate. The external contradiction consists of the dichotomy between denying Muslims the right to covert and the obligations of Muslim states under a number of United Nations human rights instruments not to hinder it. Is it possible to resolve these contradictions and bring about congruence of worldviews between Islam and modernity?

    Islam is not a monolithic creed. Different approaches exist to practically all issues with which it is confronted. The conversion issue is no exception. The sharia based on the majority view of Muslim jurists does not prescribe use of force to bring non-believers to the fold of Islam. However, for those in the fold it does not permit an opting out. The sharia nonetheless is not the only valid approach in Islam.

    There is a liberal tradition as well, which is espoused by a number of present-day jurists. It emphasises the Quranic dictum of “no compulsion in religion” at once for matters of conversion and reversion. Pakistan was an excellent exponent of this tradition at the time the United Nations General Assembly was engaged in a debate for the adoption of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948. Unlike states like Saudi Arabia it openly advocated an individual’s right to conversion.

    Among contemporary jurists, Abdulaziz A Sachedina, a distinguished Shia scholar, favours the liberal approach through an interesting historical interpretation of the issue. We begin by looking at apostasy in Islam as an offence. Muslim jurists divide offences into two categories, namely, hudud and ta’zir. The first category includes offences “against religion”. They are so called because they violate God’s own “right or claim”. The second category comprises crimes against society — so defined because they contravene the “rights or claims” of society. Most Muslim jurists consider apostasy as an offence in the first category. Other, however, view it as falling in the second. The differentiation is important in that punishments for the first category of offences are established in the Quran whereas determining punishments for the second category in public interest is left to the rulers and courts.

    Muslim jurists generally agree that while apostasy is a crime mentioned in Quran, death penalty for it has its origin in the hadith (tradition). Besides, it is sanctioned by the ijma (consensus) of the early companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Thus, although punishment for apostasy does not possess the character of hadd (“fixed”), many jurists regard it as such because in their opinion it involves a “claim” of God. Consequently, they justify execution of apostates for the protecting a fundamental public interest (the establishment and maintenance of a just social order).

    The apostasy issue goes back to the early history of Islam when following the death of the Prophet (PBUH) a number of Arab tribes refused to honour the agreement to pay zakat. Abu Bakr, who had succeeded the Prophet (PBUH) as head of the community, sent his army against the tribes and crushed their revolt. This, for most jurists, provided the basis for the law of apostasy in Islam.

    The letters written to the dissident tribes show that Abu Bakr defended the use of force against them on the basis of their agreement with the Prophet (PBUH), who was not merely a head of the state but also the Messenger of God. The religious aspect of his position was important to those succeeding him as rulers of Medina because it legitimised their authority. Abu Bakr reminded the tribesmen that while Muhammad (PBUH) was a mortal being, the God whose will he represented was “the living and immortal God”. He told them to consider their agreement with the Prophet (PBUH) as a covenant with God and honour it as long as his successors carried on the mandate. The verses cited by Abu Bakr were taken from the passages laying down the duty of Muslims to establish a just public order.

    Sachedina concludes from the foregoing that Abu Bakr’s action against the tribes represented a case of rebellion against the Islamic public order. He thinks that the subsequent Muslim jurists erred in interpreting the events as a case of apostasy in terms of violating God’s “right”.

    In Sachedina’s opinion that possibly explains why Abu Bakr did not invoke the “apostasy verses” in defence of his action. He believes that Abu Bakr’s use of force against the tribes cannot be justifiably cited as a precedent in support of the sanction against apostasy. The confusion, he believes, can be explained in terms of lack of sufficient appreciation by Muslim jurists of the tension between the spiritual and temporal in the Quran. This, he believes, led them to classify failure in certain duties enjoined by Islamic polity as “unbelief”. He believes that it was for this reason that they treated such failure as a threat to the community. He concludes that the blurring of this distinction was responsible for the intolerant tone in certain versions of the Islamic legal system.

    This is the first of a two-part series. The writer, a former dean of social sciences at the Quaid-i-Azam University, is an independent political and legal analyst

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...9-4-2006_pg3_2
    The articles at pOST # 1 AND 2 do make interesting reading and debate.

    It would be good if a Moslem comments first so that one could understand the issues better.


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    Sir,
    This is right in line with the view espoused by my Islamic Law Professor, who also pointed out that in every Hadith where an apostate was executed, that person had also committed treason against the state. Thus, he is of the belief that apostacy in and of itself is not punishable here on earth - that that is up to Allah.
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    Why is it that the only Muslims on this forum are from Pakistan and we are only 5 or 6. Why dont muslims from other countries post in WAB.
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    One could also justify Chinese Communism as being good! ;

    Actually, it may really be good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lahori Paa jee
    Why is it that the only Muslims on this forum are from Pakistan and we are only 5 or 6. Why dont muslims from other countries post in WAB.
    May be you can take the responsibility and advertise WAB to your ummah bretheren?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lahori Paa jee
    Why is it that the only Muslims on this forum are from Pakistan and we are only 5 or 6. Why dont muslims from other countries post in WAB.
    Are you suggesting there is a conspiracy in the WAB higher realms?

    Note they have a Moslem as a Moderator.

    The Hindus here may claim that it is unfair!

    Now would that be correct?

    Why there are so few Moslems? The PDF did come in in strength, but there unlike the PDF, one is has to be educated and knowledgeable to enter a debate.

    Emotion alone does not carry the day.

    That's why!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    Are you suggesting there is a conspiracy in the WAB higher realms?

    Note they have a Moslem as a Moderator.

    The Hindus here may claim that it is unfair!

    Now would that be correct?

    Why there are so few Moslems? The PDF did come in in strength, but there unlike the PDF, one is has to be educated and knowledgeable to enter a debate.

    Emotion alone does not carry the day.

    That's why!

    I was banned on PDF for being too anti mushy and pro NS. Its being run by pathetic people. They didn't have the courage take the truth. (my apologies to platinum786)

    We cannot compare WAB to PDF. WAB is international with so many nationalities. PDF is Pakistani with single mentality and that is to live like donkeys under a leader that they did not choose

    I want other muslims on WAB to be more active. Perhaps that would give a chance for broader views. Buts its nice to hear that a moderator is Muslim too. Who is he (is he Lunatok)and why does he not right on topics related to Islam.
    Last edited by Lahori paa jee; 20 Apr 06, at 21:41.
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    Because he is a US Moslem.

    Liberal and not bigoted.

    Oh sure he takes up cudgels for Islam, so don't think he doesn't.

    But he is moderate in his views and he has the liberalism that most US citizens show no matter what their ancestral country of origin is.

    Lunatock is as good a Moslem as your idea of "pious Moslem" goes that you chaps make it a point to indicate the greatness of every Moslem.He prays 5 times a day too as he stated in one of the post.

    What do you expect of him, may I ask?

    Lahaoiri,

    Moslems are getting active.

    Haven't you noticed the change in Neo?


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    I have just recently joined WAB
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    are you being sarcastic??? because i'm not really catching the sarcasm part...

    your join date says 07-26-05
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    Sir,
    Talking about activity levels, may be coz its that time of the year
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