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    The Bride Shop

    India's 'bride buying' country

    By Renu Agal

    BBC News, Mewat, Haryana



    Anwari was sold for $220 to a man in Haryana


    Anwari Khatoon came visiting a relative in the northern Indian state of Haryana eight months ago, but ended up getting married against her will to a local man with six children from a previous marriage.
    A man from her village in eastern Jharkhand state had accompanied the 22-year-old woman on her journey to Haryana.

    When she arrived in the village, Anwari found the man and her relative pressuring her to marry the man with six children, a middle-aged truck driver.

    Her new husband paid 10,000 rupees ($220) to the man who brought her to the village.

    "Can a young, single girl get married to a father of six willingly?" asks Anwari.

    "It is all fate. What has happened has happened. What can I do? My parents didn't even get any money from this deal."

    Anwari is among the several thousand young women from all over India who are literally sold-off to men in Haryana, a state notorious for its low ratio of girls to boys.


    The going rate for buying a girl in the state is anything between 4,000 and 30,000 rupees ($88 to $660).


    A cultural preference for sons over daughters has skewed India's sex ratio in places like Haryana.

    As a result of female foeticide, there are about 861 women for every 1,000 men in Haryana, according to the last census. The national average is 927 women to 1,000 men.

    Since there aren't enough local women to marry, Haryana's men pay touts to bring women for them to marry and to work on their farms.




    Social activists reckon most of these women end up being used as sex slaves and then resold to other men in what looks like a flourishing market in trafficking of women.

    The head of Asawati village told us about a girl called Ajmeri who arrived last month from the state of West Bengal in eastern India. She told the village head that "some people had come to see me and offered 10,000 rupees ($220)".

    We went to look for Ajmeri. But when we reached her home she wasn't there. Her neighbours told us that she "may have been taken away by somebody" to another village.

    These young women who are sold off as brides against their will are known in Haryana as 'paros'.

    According to one estimate, there are almost 45,000 paros here from the dirt-poor, eastern tribal state of Jharkhand alone.


    Touts pay their poor parents anything between 500 to 1,000 rupees (about $11 to $22) to take the daughter.



    There are 45,000 'paros' from Jharkhand alone

    Social activists say Haryana exemplifies the vicious cycle of exploitation of women and represents a society which does not respect women.

    Haryana minister Randeep Singh Surjewala says the government is aware of the problem.

    "Whenever we get complaints we take action. We are also trying to educate people socially and address the sex ratio problem," he says.

    Last month a doctor and his assistant in Haryana were sentenced to two years in jail for revealing the sex of a female foetus and then agreeing to abort it. It was the first time offenders had been sent to jail for this offence.


    Shakti Vahini is one NGO trying to help the paros by rescuing them and sending them to a safe home run by the state government.

    "Every village has five to six girls who have been brought from outside," says Rishikant who works with Shakti Vahini.

    Most of the rescued women were hired as farm workers by local men and were being sexually abused, Rishikant says.



    In one case a man stands accused of beheading his paros wife because she refused to sleep with his brothers.


    "There is a lack of political will, so no government is taking any steps to curb this problem," says Sanjay Mishra, who runs a voluntary group in Jharkhand associated with rescuing these women.

    Meanwhile, Haryana's infamous market in women continues to flourish.

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    Hmmm. You should see the treatment that these girls from India get in Dubai's clubs.

    They're almost all here without their will. Somehow they were fooled into coming here and are now stuck at the hands of their employers.

    They're freakyishly hot! But so god-damn illiterate. Lol, they'd come upto you and start speaking in Hindi film lingo. Guys too desperate and living in lalala land go crazy over them and buy them off from their employers.

    Nowadays they even text you back, to lure you back into those clubs. The language they use, is so goddamn funny. "Mere dil pe aaj ek dastak hui, aur teri yaad ayi...". Freakin hillarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim Aquil
    Hmmm. You should see the treatment that these girls from India get in Dubai's clubs.

    They're almost all here without their will. Somehow they were fooled into coming here and are now stuck at the hands of their employers.

    They're freakyishly hot! But so god-damn illiterate. Lol, they'd come upto you and start speaking in Hindi film lingo. Guys too desperate and living in lalala land go crazy over them and buy them off from their employers.

    Nowadays they even text you back, to lure you back into those clubs. The language they use, is so goddamn funny. "Mere dil pe aaj ek dastak hui, aur teri yaad ayi...". Freakin hillarious.

    Whats else do u know . Please tell us in a littttttttllllllleeee detail . LOLZ.

    Guys just wait and see before this thread too is twisted and turned into a pakistani bride shop by our dear fellows here at WAB
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    *bump*

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    Quote Originally Posted by lahori Paa jee
    Whats else do u know . Please tell us in a littttttttllllllleeee detail . LOLZ.

    Guys just wait and see before this thread too is twisted and turned into a pakistani bride shop by our dear fellows here at WAB
    Lahori,

    You are right.

    We should not discuss the Pakistani Bride Shop.

    Unmitigated and even if State sanctioned Pornography is not allowed on this Foreign Board!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lahori Paa jee
    Whats else do u know . Please tell us in a littttttttllllllleeee detail . LOLZ.

    Guys just wait and see before this thread too is twisted and turned into a pakistani bride shop by our dear fellows here at WAB
    lol, not that I've been a regular at these places. Just went in with some of my "filthy rich and got no idea where to spend money so I will give some chick shaking her butt and smiling at me, thousands of bucks" kinda friends.

    Everyone has the same story. Someone in India tricked em and brought them to Dubai. They're in deep debt. They're asked to whore themselves off and pay their debt to their employers.

    As I said they're very pretty but really dumb. So by the time they raise that much cash and free themselves off, they've pretty much got no other skill and kinda continue till they don't get a rich sucker Arab who'd marry her and keep her in some bigass villa where he'd visit her once a week. They get all the super cool cars, servants and everything then.

    Weirdness? It is.

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    look if nobody has anything constructive to add wth regards to the plight of these women then don't comment at all. Ignoring and mocking the poor will get us nowhere but a step closer to hell.

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    1. Open an ashram. I suppose people like Plat, Neo and Asim have enough time and money AND the desire to uplift "these" women from their plight.
    2. Organise a fund raiser. Asim's "more money than they know where to burn them" friends could actually be of some use than a waste of oxygen.
    3. I am a poor sod but still I'll pledge $2 for every dollar pledged -to a womens NGO in INDIA- by any of these monkeys here who would want people to believe they are actually concerned over the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    f State sanctioned Pornography is not allowed on this Foreign Board! [/B]
    It's not? When did that happen? There goes all the posts I had planned!!



    Seriously now. If there are so many (thousands) of these women and they know it, why do they not join forces and leave?

    Where did that immigration thread go?-They can come here to the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaman
    1. Open an ashram. I suppose people like Plat, Neo and Asim have enough time and money AND the desire to uplift "these" women from their plight.
    2. Organise a fund raiser. Asim's "more money than they know where to burn them" friends could actually be of some use than a waste of oxygen.
    3. I am a poor sod but still I'll pledge $2 for every dollar pledged -to a womens NGO in INDIA- by any of these monkeys here who would want people to believe they are actually concerned over the issue.
    Hats off

    I will pledge the same but raise the amount to 4£ for every 1$ pledged by the either Plat or Asim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal
    Seriously now. If there are so many (thousands) of these women and they know it, why do they not join forces and leave?

    Where did that immigration thread go?-They can come here to the US.
    THL,
    which women are you talking about?
    I assume not the oone in the article..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaman
    THL,
    which women are you talking about?
    I assume not the oone in the article..
    Well I was ...until now



    No really? Are the women that brain washed that they cannot group together and walk out? What would happen? Thousands cannot ALL be killed.



    (yes I am serious and no I am not naive enough to think that all women of the world are mentally able to do this. But I do not understand why together they cannot be stronger)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal
    No really? Are the women that brain washed that they cannot group together and walk out? What would happen? Thousands cannot ALL be killed.



    (yes I am serious and no I am not naive enough to think that all women of the world are mentally able to do this. But I do not understand why together they cannot be stronger)
    One, I believe these are isolated events and not even to the scale that is made out to be. But given such a large population and some segments of the society being in abject poverty these can happen. It isnt a surprise to me.

    Second, because of the geographic distance it may not be possible for the women to band together. However, there are women groups and NGOs who are already working on the issue whatever the scale of the problem. Some of the womens groups are the strongest lobbyists I have seen .

    Third, there are no right answers to the issue. Its like saying prostitution and pornography is bad but it still exists in the richest nations in a significant scale.

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    Trafficking women against their will happens all over the world. From Japan to America, from Turkey to Germany to UK.

    Like it or not Lahori Pa Jee, in South Asia Pakistan is an important center for trafficking women. India and Pakistan are 2 important destinations for Women from Bangladesh, Nepal and Srilanka and most end up in brothels.

    So get off the moral highground, aight? I dont think you guys are gonna say this discussion is strictly about Indian women, coz all of them are equal. What are you going to do about it?? Its an organized crime not like your mom and pop shop around the corner. The governments has been taking actions against the crime, but you can only do so much.

    Since you already posted about India, lets see a look at other countries around the world.
    PAKISTAN
    There have been 1 million Bangladeshi and more than 200,000 Burmese women trafficked to Karachi, Pakistan. (Indrani Sinha, SANLAAP India, "Paper on Globalization & Human Rights")

    200,000 Bangladeshi women have been trafficked to Pakistan for the slave trade and prostitution. (Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, p.8, UBINIG, 1995)

    .200,000 Bangladeshi women were trafficked to Pakistan in the last ten years, continuing at the rate of 200-400 women monthly. (CATW - Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)

    In Pakistan, where most of trafficked Bengali women are sold there are about 1,500 Bengali women in jail and about 200,000 women and children sold into in the slave trade. (estimates by Human Rights organizations in Pakistan, Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, p.14, UBINIG, 1995)

    India and Pakistan are the main destinations for children under 16 who are trafficked in south Asia. (Masako Iijima, "S. Asia urged to unite against child prostitution," Reuters, 19 June 1998)

    More than 150 women were trafficked to Pakistan every day between 1991 and 1993. (Indrani Sinha, SANLAAP India, "Paper on Globalization & Human Rights")

    100 - 150 women are estimated to enter Pakistan illegally every day. Few ever return to their homes. ("Rights-South Asia: Slavery Still A Thriving Trade," IPS, 29 December 1997)

    There are over 200,000 undocumented Bangladeshi women in Pakistan, including some 2,000 in jails and shelters. Bangladeshis comprise 80 percent, and Burmese 14 percent, of Karachi¹s undocumented immigrants. (Zia Ahmed Awan, affiliate with Lawyers for Human Rights and Legal Aid, Sindh police report in 1993, "Rights-South Asia: Slavery Still A Thriving Trade," IPS, 29 December 1997)

    A Bengali or Burmese woman could be sold in Pakistan for US$1,500 - 2,500 - depending on age, looks, docility and virginity. For each child or woman sold, the police claim a 15 to 20 percent "commission." ("Rights-South Asia: Slavery Still A Thriving Trade," IPS, 29 December 1997)

    Women kidnapped at the Pakistan-Afghanistan border are being sold in the marketplace for R600 per kilogram as of 1991. (CATW - Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)

    Auctions of girls are arranged for three kinds of buyers: rich visiting Arabs (sheiks, businessmen, visitors, state-financed medical and university students), the rich local gentry, and rural farmers. (CATW - Asia Pacific "Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific" (19)

    19,000 Pakistani children have been trafficked to the United Arab Emirates (UAE). 160,000 Nepalese women are in Indian brothels. (LHRLA, Indrani Sinha, SANLAAP India, "Paper on Globalization & Human Rights")

    Orphaned girls are sold as Œwives¹ to men who may resell them (CATW - Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)
    http://www.catwinternational.org/factbook/Pakistan.php

    CHINA
    Tens of thousands of women are bought and sold in China each year. The most popular areas for abducting women are the poor areas of Yunnan, Sichuan and Guizhou. (Human Rights in China organization report, Sophia Woodman, Stephanie Ho, "Trafficking of Women in China," Voice of America, 27 September 1995)

    China is a destination of trafficked women from Ukraine and Russia. (Global Survival Network, Vladmir Isachenkov, "Soviet Women Slavery Flourishes," Associated Press, 6 November 1997) Traffickers are increasingly transporting Burmese and Chinese girls for prostitution, partially due to a decrease in the availability of northern Thai girls. "Their pleasant character, white skin and beauty were similar to northern girls." (Prof Kusol Sunthorntada, Researcher, Institute for Population and Social Research, Mahidol University, ("More foreign workers join sex industry as fewer Thai girls enter flesh trade," Poona Antaseeda. Bangkok Post, 24 November 1997) Girls from China, aged 12-18, are in more demand for the sex industry in Thailand since fewer girls from Northern Thailand are being lured by traffickers. (Wanchai Boonphacra, Centre for the Protection of Children's Rights, "More foreign workers join sex industry as fewer Thai girls enter flesh trade," Poona Antaseeda. Bangkok Post, 24 November 1997)

    Women are also being trafficked for sale as wives to husbands who often resell them. (CATW - Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)

    Chinese girls from provinces in Yunan state are trafficked via Chiang Tung in Burma and then into Thailand at Mae Sai in Chiang Rai. ("More foreign workers join sex industry as fewer Thai girls enter flesh trade," Poona Antaseeda. Bangkok Post, 24 November 1997).

    Traffickers force Chinese immigrants into indentured servitude, women into prostitution and men into the restaurant business. In September 1998, 153 men and 21 women, including 35 juveniles, arrived in San Diego, California from China via Mexico, after paying smugglers $30,000. In 1997, 69 and in 1993, 650 Chinese immigrants were intercepted in the same area. If caught by immigration (INS) officials, most will be sent back to China, unless they receive political asylum. The smugglers may face jail time in the United States. (Paula Story, "Chinese Immigrant Boat Reaches US," Associated Press Online, 19 September 1998)

    Thousands of girls from China's southern are trafficked into Thailand's sex industry; some go on to Malaysia or Singapore. The economic crisis has no impact on this segment of the sex industry. More affluent Chinese businessmen from mainland China or Taiwan who do business in Thailand purchase sex from these Chinese girls. (Supalak Ganjanakhundee, "Migrant workers booming as Asian economy declines," Kyodo News, 23 September 1998)
    PHILIPPINES
    Part of the economic plan developed by the IMF and World Bank for the Philippines (and other countries) during the late 60s and 70s was the idea of labor export. A Philippine Overseas Employment Agency was established. In the 70s this involved mostly men working in construction in the Middle East, but by the late 70s and 80s the majority of Filipinos working outside the country were women. Here are some estimated figures (excluding the U.S. and Canada):

    * 75,000 prostituted women in Japan
    * 50,000 maids in Singapore
    * 50,000 domestics/prostituted women in Hong Kong
    * 75,000 domestics in England
    * 50,000 domestics in Spain
    * 75,000 domestics in Italy
    * 50,000 in Germany
    * 150,000 in the Middle East
    http://www.selenasol.com/selena/stru...stitution.html

    EUROPE
    "Increased trafficking of women for prostitution is akin to slavery... women are bought and sold like cattle." (Anita Gradin, European Commissioner, European Race Audit Bulletin No 25, The Institute of Race Relations, London UK, 25 November 1997)

    Approximately 500,000 women are annually trafficked into Western Europe. (International Organization for Migration, Michael Specter, "Traffickers’ New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women," New York Times, 11 January 1998)

    Of 155 cases of trafficked women: 44 were from Central Europe, mainly the Czech Republic and Poland; 64 from Eastern Europe and the CIS, mainly Russia and the Ukraine; and 47 from developing countries, mainly Morocco, Thailand and the Dominican Republic. 3/4 of the women were under 25, and many were teenagers, between 15 and 18, especially among those from Central Europe. (Data by STV: Dutch NGO of women assisted by them in 1994, "Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)

    In several European Union Member States, prostitution has become increasingly dominated by foreign women. In many areas within the European Union the number of migrant prostitutes is higher than the number of local prostitutes (Brussa, 1995, p.7). ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characteristic, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)

    The slave trade in women for sexual purposes is growing, and organized crime is more often behind this trade. Smuggling in humans is much less risky than smuggling drugs and it is highly profitable. (Commissioner Anita Gradin, "Conference on Trafficking in Women" European Commission, 10-11 June 1996)

    Women from Africa (Ghana, Nigeria, Morocco), Latin America (Brazil, Colombia, the Dominican Republic), South East Asia (the Philippines, Thailand), and Central and Eastern Europe (Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Russia, Ukraine) are the largest groups of women being trafficked into the European Union. (Europe national data, "Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)
    http://www.catwinternational.org/factbook/europe.php
    USA
    Trafficking in women plagues the United States as much as it does underdeveloped nations. Organized prostitution networks have migrated from metropolitan areas to small cities and suburbs. Women trafficked to the United States have been forced to have sex with 400-500 men to pay off $40,000 in debt for their passage. (Avita Ramdas, president of the Global Fund for Women sponsoring a recent prostitution conference, Brad Knickerbocker, "Prostitution’s Pernicious Reach Grows in the US" Christian Science Monitor, 23 October 1996)

    In mid-1997 in Queens New York police were informed of more than 60 Mexican immigrants including 12 children ranging in age from 6 months to 6 years, being held in "involuntary servitude". (Deborah Sontag, "Deaf Mexicans Are Found in Forced Labor," New York Times, 20 June 1997)

    The United Nations now lists Mexico as the number one center for the supply of young children to North America. Most are sold to rich, childless couples unwilling to wait for bona fide adoption agencies to provide them with a child. The majority are sent to international pedophile organizations. Many times the children are snatched while on errands for their parents. Often they are drugged and raped. Most of the children over 12 end up as prostitutes. Hector Ramirez, a former deputy, or Mexican Member of Parliament, stated that "many of the state and city authorities [are] doing absolutely nothing to stop what is going on." (Allan Hall, The Scotsman, 25 August 1998)

    5,000 women of Chinese descent are in prostitution in Los Angeles. (Kathryn McMahon, Daniel B. Wood, "A Crusade to Free Captive Daughters," Christian Science Monitor, 12 March 1998)

    Chinese women are being trafficked into the United States for brothels in New York and North Carolina. They are held in $40,000 debt bondage. ("Chinese women ‘forced into prostitution’ in US," BBC, 3 March 1998)

    Traffickers force Chinese immigrants into indentured servitude, women into prostitution and men into the restaurant business. In September 1998, 153 men and 21 women, including 35 juveniles, arrived in San Diego, California from China via Mexico, after paying smugglers $30,000. In 1997, 69 and in 1993, 650 Chinese immigrants were intercepted in the same area. If caught by immigration (INS) officials, most will be sent back to China, unless they receive political asylum. The smugglers may face jail time in the United States. (Paula Story, "Chinese Immigrant Boat Reaches US," Associated Press Online, 19 September 1998)

    Traffickers in Miami were receiving Asian children who were being trafficked through Europe by Japanese and Chinese criminal gangs. In one month, at least 15 children were smuggled into the United States for prostitution. ("Pedophilia ring uncovered in Italy," USA Today, Nov. 1997)

    25 distinct Russian organized crime groups are operating in the United States in the areas of prostitution, fraud, money laundering, murder, extortion and drug trafficking and the Federal Bureau of Investigation has approximately 250 pending investigations targeting Russian gangs in 27 states. (Barbara Starr, "Former Soviet Union a playground for organized crime: A gangster’s paradise," ABC News, 14 September 1998)

    Mail order Brides

    There have been 5,000 Filipina mail order brides entering the United States every year since 1986, a total of 55,000 as of 1997. (Gabriela, Statistics and the State of the Philippines, 24 July 1997)

    Two Honduran "mail-order-brides" were imprisoned with their children and raped by attorney Donald A. Young in Pennsylvania. Young was charged with rape, assault, false imprisonment, harassment, stalking, and child abuse (Boston Globe, 6 August 1997)

    The American mail-order bride industry has become a multi-million dollar business, marketing women from developing countries as potential brides to men in Western nations. (Lena H. Sun, "The Search For Miss Right Takes A Turn Toward Russia "Mail-Order Brides" Of The '90S Are Met Via Internet And On "Romance Tours," Washington Post, 8 March 1998)

    In the United States, mail-order-bride agencies are developing everywhere. One business, A Foreign Affair, has had more than 15,000 male buyers since it began three years ago. Now there are 200 to 250 of these companies in the United States, a third of which started in 1997. At least 80 of these focus exclusively on Russian and Eastern European women. A Foreign Affair has about 3,500 women from Russia, Eastern Europe, Asia and Latin America. The business claims they are responsible for an engagement or marriage every week. (Lena H. Sun, "The Search For Miss Right Takes A Turn Toward Russia "Mail-Order Brides" Of The '90S Are Met Via Internet And On "Romance Tours," Washington Post, 8 March 1998)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay
    Trafficking women against their will happens all over the world. From Japan to America, from Turkey to Germany to UK.

    Like it or not Lahori Pa Jee, in South Asia Pakistan is an important center for trafficking women. India and Pakistan are 2 important destinations for Women from Bangladesh, Nepal and Srilanka and most end up in brothels.

    So get off the moral highground, aight? I dont think you guys are gonna say this discussion is strictly about Indian women, coz all of them are equal. What are you going to do about it?? Its an organized crime not like your mom and pop shop around the corner. The governments has been taking actions against the crime, but you can only do so much.

    Since you already posted about India, lets see a look at other countries around the world.


    http://www.catwinternational.org/factbook/Pakistan.php
    Jay,

    Leave Pakistan out.

    The situation there is too pornographic for words and for this board.

    If the discussion started, it will not end!

    And Lahori has put up that post in a preemptive strategy so that Pakistan is not exposed.

    Let's respect his views too.

    And don't take this thread too seriously.

    Those Dubai Indians are basically the Moplahs (descendants of the Arab traders)!

    But I give it to Asim. Clever little tyke. He enjoys carnal pleasures (banned in Islam) by mooching on his filthy rich Arab friends to quote him!

    Just like a good Pakistani?

    Living on doles?

    Note these are rhetorical questions.

    Because Asim is a paragon of virtues in real life or so he conveys!


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