Indian Atrocities in Held Kashmir

**Jay** · 28 Dec 05,, 22:12

Originally Posted by Neo

Nice explaination Gautam, but try to tell it to the Kashmiris who lost their land to China under Indian protection.

AFAIK, no one lives there. If infact some Kashmiri Indians own land and property there, its even better to get our case against China.

Fact is that India lost Aksai Chin which is far bigger than the 5.180 km2 that we gave to China...

You have to understand Neo, India still claims thats area as Indian, part of Kashmir. Its still a dispute between China and India. The last time I checked Pakistan didnt do so.

**Jay** · 28 Dec 05,, 22:13

Originally Posted by sparten

How do you know if Pakistan has enough nukes or not? Or if India has it or not.?

Based on the limited open source knowledge and Pakistani scientific establishment, I will go ahead and say Pakistan does not have enough nukes and means to do a catastrophic first strike against India.

**~~Gautam~~** · 28 Dec 05,, 23:13

Let's make no mistake,

Yes we lost to China in 1962, but we did not turn our backs and run away. we did not abandon our soldiers ( Northern Infantry Light i.e. Kargil

) anyone

http://www.india-rising.com/1962war.html

Here u can also find the official history of the 1962 war

http://www.india-rising.com/1962war-history.html

around 10 pdf files but above all we fought against the odds and lost, but the changes that came after it were sweeping, as India vowed never again to be in such a situation again.

If the question is as Neo said it about defending Kashmir & Kashmiri's than I would say don't take one's patience for their weakness. When the dams burst and the water comes crushing down, the damage to Pakistan will be immense.

A BJP Govt with majority is all it will take to set things right.

**Ray** · 29 Dec 05,, 04:25

So long as there is Pakistan, Kashmir will remain a debating point for them.

Pakistan has always felt that in every way they are equal to India. And why not? They were a part of India and were equal citizens then and so Pakistan cannot reconcile to their new status of unequal power.

The only way Pakistan can find its place in the sun is to keep the Kashmir issue alive.

That has been their sole national purpose and so why deny them this small ecstacy?

If one notices, Pakistan is woefully behind in every aspect of nationhood. They even now after nearly 60 years of independence is dependent on foreign aid. Only recently, they were given 2 F 16 by the US free! If one totes up the amount of money that the US, China and her Islamic brother nations have given them, it is adequate to realise what is Pakistan. I wonder how much they have redeemed.

When there was the US embargo, the Saudis secretly funnel in oil free! Later, when the US raised the issue, some jiggery pokery was done! Or so I learnt from the posts with links on this forum itself!

Pakistan has always been a "client" state throughout its history. It is even so now!

**Ray** · 29 Dec 05,, 04:31

Pakistan will be more fractious, isolated, and dependent on international financial assistance.

I did not say that. It was said in Global Trends 2015.

This paper was approved for publication by the National Foreign Intelligence Board under the authority of the Director of Central Intelligence.

Prepared under the direction of the National Intelligence Council.

But then the US Intelligence is a bunch of Keystone Cops, right?

**Ray** · 29 Dec 05,, 04:45

Much tomtoming is being done about the "freedom" of the Pakistani judiciary.

Here is what is stated about the Pakistani judiciary:

A judicial crisis has gripped Pakistan, following the military government's order for senior judges to take a new oath that would protect the military. As Ayaz Gul reports from Islamabad, the chief justice of Pakistan's Supreme Court has been
replaced after he refused to swear to the provisional constitution introduced by the army.......

The military government has dismissed six judges of Pakistan's Supreme Court and several others in the provincial high courts who declined to take the
oath. It would bar the judiciary from challenging the October 12th (1999) military takeover of the country.

Seven new judges have been appointed to the Supreme Court with Irshad Hasan Khan named chief justice. Pakistan's military leader, General Pervez Musharraf, is quoted as saying the action is taken in the best interest of the country.......
http://www.fas.org/news/pakistan/2000/000126-pak1.htm

Musharraf knows how the judiciary can be made puppets on a string! Musharraf still lives and still rules.

Nothing has changed!

Peace be on Musharraf the "wise"!

**Ray** · 29 Dec 05,, 04:56

Originally Posted by sparten

"Genocide in Balochistan" is probably the most amusing piece of fiction since vows of fidelity were added to the French Marriage service.

Note to the websites webmaster
First of all fix your damn grammer.

Of course, Genocide in Balochistan is a most amusing piece of fiction.

So was the burning of Rome to Nero!

Pray, why should NWFP Assembly pass a joint resolution on Saturday demanding the federal government halt military operation in Balochistan and begin a dialogue with Baloch leaders? NWFP is not Balochistan or is it?

Now if the other States of Pakistan too feel that that there is some evil on, and make it so important a matter that it is raised and passed in their Assembly, then either they are finding it amusing (as you are trying to cloak the amusing issue) or that Pakistan is filled with people who are immensely amused with mayhem!

The way Pakistani madrassas has spread mayhem around the world, starting with Talibans, I presume killing, beheading, honour killing has become an amusing pastime in Pakistan.

Sadly, some of my Pakistani friends don't find the mayhem amusing at all! Of course, they have been educated abroad.

**sparten** · 29 Dec 05,, 05:58

The Chief Justice was pretty stupid. First ruling that yes Musharraf could rule for 3 years and yes the constitution is "in abeyance". Than he wants to still be bound by the Constitution (the same one he declared to be in abeyance.) Pretty, no very stupid.

As Lord Denning said
"legal theory must eventually give way to political fact."

**Ray** · 29 Dec 05,, 06:06

I am sure there have been many stupid Chief Justices the world over.

However, the independence of the Judiciary was never trampled by the jackboot in civilised and democratic countries.

That is, inspite of law being an ass!

**sparten** · 29 Dec 05,, 06:16

Originally Posted by Ray

the independence of the Judiciary

No such thing anyware sir.

**indianguy4u** · 29 Dec 05,, 06:19

Originally Posted by guatam

A BJP Govt with majority is all it will take to set things right.

Dont incld those idiots. They screwed themselves in the last elections & they need a new leadership to even make a worthwhile attempt for next , which i suspect is nearer than it seems. The current adhoc govt will fall i hope, the worst govt since 1991 Rao govt.

**Ray** · 29 Dec 05,, 06:39

Originally Posted by sparten

No such thing anyware sir.

Maybe.

But no blatant trampling of the judiciary either; in democratic countries, that is!

**sparten** · 29 Dec 05,, 06:59

"John Marshall has made his decision now let him enforce it"?

**Samudra** · 29 Dec 05,, 07:17

So the Judiciary is being undermined next ?
Pakistan is already devoid of democracy..and now add a judiciary to the list.

Hail Musharaff - He who is leading Pakistan to turmoil.

To those who wish to contest the above point :
What institution shall be left out of the Armys influence in Pakistan when Musharaff dies ?

I cant see a Election Commission that fights hard to conduct polls in a free and fair manner.The Judiciary has already been undermined.The Constitution is a joke because Musharaff can do anything he wants.

Intrestingly, the jihadi scum appear to be filling up the vaccum - note how they rose to the occasion after the quake.

So there are going to be two entities after Musharaff dies(maybe even before he dies) fighting for influence and control.

1.Pakistani Army
2.Jihadis

**Monk** · 29 Dec 05,, 13:37

Originally Posted by sparten

Again India cannot declare the resolution invalid, only the Security Council or UNCIP can.

India does not have to hold a plebicite (thats the UN's job).

Yes we can, We have the military might to do it. So go fukk yourself. There is absolutely nothing that you, your kith or kin or your next seven generations can do about it. We are stronger than you, so we are right. Khallas.